Transfer Portal......and LeBron James and other off season tangents.

[rico]

On 5/22/2021 at 3:55 PM, Steubenhoosier said:

 Rocket Watts from one MSU to another. Commits to Mississippi State

Did Missy St. recruit him coming out of HS?

[IUFLA]

24 minutes ago, rico said:

Did Missy St. recruit him coming out of HS?

Yes

He had an offer and a visit...

[FKIM01]

Rocket Watts puzzles me quite a bit.  I saw him early and was concerned about IU matching up with him in the future.  For whatever reason, his stats just seemed to fall off a cliff and out of favor with Izzo.  I honestly thought he would be huge for them.

[IUFLA]

1 minute ago, FKIM01 said:

Rocket Watts puzzles me quite a bit.  I saw him early and was concerned about IU matching up with him in the future.  For whatever reason, his stats just seemed to fall off a cliff and out of favor with Izzo.  I honestly thought he would be huge for them.

I did too...saw times where he looked like an all Big 10 player...other times he just flat stunk it up...

The talent is there, but he's wildly inconsistent, and once he starts pressing, it's over...

[5fouls]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-major-college-basketball-program-only-focusing-on-transfers/ar-AAKs0h3?ocid=msedgntp

Unnamed coach of Top 40 program will no longer recruit high school players.

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by 5fouls

[NotIThatLives]

12 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-major-college-basketball-program-only-focusing-on-transfers/ar-AAKs0h3?ocid=msedgntp

Unnamed coach of Top 40 program will no longer recruit high school players.

 

Well Nebraska is not a top 40 program so it's not the mayor

[ElectricBoogaloo]

7 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Well Nebraska is not a top 40 program so it's not the mayor

Going out on a limb and I'll say Beard at Texas. He loves the transfer market.

[NotIThatLives]

1 minute ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Going out on a limb and I'll say Beard at Texas. He loves the transfer market.

I wont be hard to figure out.  I'd start by looking through the top 150 or so players and start scratching off the teams that have a guy.  Maybe its more going forward like class 22 and beyond.  

[BDB]

2 hours ago, NotIThatLives said:

I wont be hard to figure out.  I'd start by looking through the top 150 or so players and start scratching off the teams that have a guy.  Maybe its more going forward like class 22 and beyond.  

it is definitely a big 12 team if Fran Frishilla is involved.

Edited May 28, 2021 by BDB

[NotIThatLives]

16 minutes ago, BDB said:

it is definitely a big  team if Fran Frishilla is involved.

I'm very curious going forward what has more value.  Look at Baylor.  They had 2 key transfers.  Gonzaga even has landed great transfers.  

[dgambill]

1 hour ago, 5fouls said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-major-college-basketball-program-only-focusing-on-transfers/ar-AAKs0h3?ocid=msedgntp

Unnamed coach of Top 40 program will no longer recruit high school players.

 

Good luck with that! No doubt if you want to remain in that 20-40 range you can do so using the portal exclusively if your a mid major but if you want to build a program and bring in special talent that can lead you to a top 10 team....you can't do that in the portal alone. To me that sounds like a school with expectations of just making the tournament every year...and not much more. You don't land a TJD or power 6 all conference players in the portal....and if they do land there....you know who will still get those kids. They still end up at Kansas, UK, Arizona's of the world. You aren't going to build a conference champion from the portal alone.

Edited May 28, 2021 by dgambill

[dgambill]

35 minutes ago, BDB said:

it is definitely a big  team if Fran Frishilla is involved.

I doubt it. Why is it not a top 10 program? Why is it not a top 25? He said top 40...meaning you have to go all the way back to that level....look at the teams in the 30-40 range and you will find your coach....if ... if he is even telling the truth (and i doubt it). A big time program like Baylor, Texas etc etc still know you get the best talent by recruiting..and you supplement it in the portal. Maybe you land a special kid in there but you still are competing with 300 schools for that kid the same way as recruiting with no guarantees you will land them.

I just don't believe the story honestly. Most of the top 40 is power 6 teams...with a few high majors scattered here and there. You just aren't going to sustain a program on transfers alone. Have a look and I think you would agree...those schools aren't sitting out recruiting....no way no how.

Tell me this...who in the portal would you rather have over Tamar Bates who we got out of recruiting? Teams aren't going to exclusively pass up that chance for portal only players.

Edited May 28, 2021 by dgambill

[Hoosier51]

Like dgambill said above I just don't see how you would have consistent success relying on transfers every year. You would be handicapping yourself by passing up some of the top talent. 

 The transfer portal is going to be just like recruiting but with a shorter time frame to convince them to come to your school. So you will just be making it harder on yourself. 

I'm in the camp that doesn't think a coach would actually be this dumb to limit his team like this would.

[psychobat]

1 hour ago, 5fouls said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-major-college-basketball-program-only-focusing-on-transfers/ar-AAKs0h3?ocid=msedgntp

Unnamed coach of Top 40 program will no longer recruit high school players.

 

My first thought was Calipari.

[NotIThatLives]

You guys are totally glossing over some facts.

1.  There were former 5 star recruits and plenty of 4 star guys in the portal.  Sure, blame covid for a larger influx of transfers.  The one time transfer rule is going to mean grown men upperclassmen always available.  

2.  The current national champs had 2 ridiculously good transfers. In fact your argument is shot full of holes and dead on arrival.  Baylor's top 20 recruit 91.  Top 19 recruit 158.  Top 18 recruit 93.  Top 17 recruit 107.  

[dgambill]

5 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

You guys are totally glossing over some facts.

1.  There were former 5 star recruits and plenty of 4 star guys in the portal.  Sure, blame covid for a larger influx of transfers.  The one time transfer rule is going to mean grown men upperclassmen always available.  

2.  The current national champs had 2 ridiculously good transfers. In fact your argument is shot full of holes and dead on arrival.  Baylor's top 20 recruit 91.  Top 19 recruit 158.  Top 18 recruit 93.  Top 17 recruit 107.  

I'm not saying you won't use the portal as a way to upgrade your team but to think that is going to be the SOLE way you fill your roster..sorry not buying it. Look at the top 40...tell me which athletic directors there is going to be ok with his coach no longer recruiting HS kids? Talking exclusively recruiting the portal....zero HS recruiting?? No...don't buy it. Maybe someone would have a year with no HS recruits...or would have their targets be primarily portal kids...but exclusively...sorry. You don't even know who is going to be in the portal for crying out loud. You KNOW which kids are coming out of HS..play a position of need etc etc. If it was worded differently or for 1 year only...but I just don't see it. Which school's AD would sign off on that....I'm looking below and I just don't see one. I know it only takes one to say something crazy like this but I'm not buying it as a model for success.

 

1	1	Gonzaga	WCC	31-1	7-0	12-1	12-0	12-1	6-0	7-0	6-0
2	2	Baylor	Big 12	28-2	7-1	10-1	11-0	13-2	3-0	7-0	5-0
3	4	Michigan	Big Ten	23-5	6-2	4-2	13-1	10-3	4-2	7-0	2-0
4	3	Illinois	Big Ten	24-7	9-3	4-2	11-2	12-5	5-2	5-0	2-0
5	5	Houston	AAC	27-4	5-3	8-1	14-0	6-2	5-1	13-1	3-0
6	19	Southern California	Pac-12	25-8	7-3	5-3	13-2	9-7	7-1	6-0	3-0
7	6	Iowa	Big Ten	22-9	6-4	2-3	14-2	7-7	5-2	5-0	5-0
8	7	Alabama	SEC	26-7	7-3	7-3	12-1	9-5	8-1	9-1	0-0
9	15	Colorado	Pac-12	23-9	6-6	6-2	11-1	8-6	5-2	8-1	2-0
10	10	Loyola Chicago	MVC	24-5	8-3	5-2	11-0	4-3	4-2	4-0	12-0
11	17	Villanova	Big East	18-7	4-4	5-3	9-0	4-3	8-4	5-0	1-0
12	16	Texas Tech	Big 12	18-11	5-4	2-3	11-4	5-11	2-0	3-0	8-0
13	8	Ohio St.	Big Ten	21-10	7-4	4-2	10-4	9-6	5-3	4-1	3-0
14	14	Arkansas	SEC	25-7	5-4	4-2	16-1	8-6	6-1	6-0	5-0
15	46	UCLA	Pac-12	22-10	5-5	6-4	11-1	6-8	8-2	5-0	3-0
16	20	BYU	WCC	19-7	7-2	3-3	9-2	3-5	7-2	4-0	5-0
17	11	Kansas	Big 12	20-9	4-6	4-2	12-1	7-9	3-0	6-0	4-0
18	21	Texas	Big 12	19-8	6-2	5-1	8-5	8-6	3-2	4-0	4-0
19	13	Tennessee	SEC	18-9	4-4	1-2	13-3	6-7	2-2	6-0	4-0
20	12	Virginia	ACC	18-7	6-3	2-3	10-1	5-4	4-2	5-1	4-0
21	25	Florida St.	ACC	18-7	3-4	3-2	12-1	4-5	8-1	2-1	4-0
22	24	West Virginia	Big 12	19-10	7-2	4-3	8-5	7-8	4-2	6-0	2-0
23	27	Wisconsin	Big Ten	18-13	5-6	2-2	11-5	5-11	6-2	4-0	3-0
24	33	Oregon	Pac-12	21-7	7-2	3-3	11-2	7-5	7-1	4-1	3-0
25	28	LSU	SEC	19-10	4-6	4-2	11-2	6-9	4-1	5-0	4-0
26	18	San Diego St.	Mountain West	22-5	6-2	4-1	12-2	2-4	5-1	9-0	6-0
27	26	Creighton	Big East	22-9	7-4	4-2	11-3	7-4	7-3	5-2	3-0
28	29	Oklahoma St.	Big 12	21-9	8-4	3-2	10-3	10-7	3-1	3-1	5-0
29	22	Purdue	Big Ten	18-10	5-6	2-3	11-1	5-7	7-2	4-1	2-0
30	9	Colgate	Patriot	14-2	6-0	0-1	8-1	0-1	0-0	7-1	7-0
31	23	St. Bonaventure	Atlantic 10	16-5	4-3	4-1	8-1	2-3	3-1	6-1	5-0
32	44	Arizona	Pac-12	17-9	5-4	0-1	12-4	3-7	3-2	7-0	4-0
33	30	UConn	Big East	15-8	6-3	2-2	7-3	4-5	3-3	5-0	3-0
34	31	Florida	SEC	15-10	5-5	4-2	6-3	5-5	4-3	5-2	1-0
35	52	Memphis	AAC	20-8	4-3	6-4	10-1	0-4	8-3	7-1	5-0
36	36	Oklahoma	Big 12	16-11	4-6	2-2	10-3	6-10	1-0	3-1	6-0
37	40	Syracuse	ACC	18-10	2-7	3-2	13-1	3-8	6-1	6-1	3-0
38	35	Maryland	Big Ten	16-14	4-6	2-2	10-6	5-11	2-3	6-0	3-0
39	32	North Carolina	ACC	18-11	3-7	5-3	10-1	2-10	9-0	4-1	3-0
40	38	Rutgers	Big Ten	16-12	4-6	2-2	10-4	5-9	5-3	3-0	3-0
41	34	Georgia Tech	ACC	17-9	4-5	3-1	10-3	3-7	6-0	5-2	3-0
42	37	VCU	Atlantic 10	19-7	5-3	2-2	12-2	2-4	6-1	6-2	5-0
43	45	Drake	MVC	24-5	9-2	3-2	12-1	1-3	6-0	6-2	11-0
44	42	Penn St.	Big Ten	11-14	3-8	1-1	7-5	3-11	4-2	4-1	0-0
45	41	Clemson	ACC	16-8	2-5	3-2	11-1	3-7	7-0	5-1	1-0
46	47	Missouri	SEC	16-10	6-4	2-2	8-4	7-7	2-3	6-0	1-0
47	39	Utah St.	Mountain West	19-9	6-3	4-4	9-2	2-6	2-1	7-2	8-0
48	54	UC Santa Barbara	Big West	20-5	8-4	3-1	9-0	0-1	2-4	8-0	10-0
49	49	Duke	ACC	13-11	3-6	2-0	8-5	2-5	5-3	2-3	4-0
50	91	Oregon St.	Pac-12	19-13	4-6	6-1	9-6	10-7	2-4	4-0	3-2

Edited May 28, 2021 by dgambill

[MoyeCowbell]

Each Head Coach has his preferences and philosophies when it comes to recruiting and roster management, but it seems extremely short-sighted and silly to make absolute declarative statements like this (or any for that matter). Too many variables, too many shifts and evolving situations. Why paint yourself in a corner and have to explain it all later? Objectively, it just seems like a big waste to time and energy.

[Hoosier51]

8 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

You guys are totally glossing over some facts.

1.  There were former 5 star recruits and plenty of 4 star guys in the portal.  Sure, blame covid for a larger influx of transfers.  The one time transfer rule is going to mean grown men upperclassmen always available.  

2.  The current national champs had 2 ridiculously good transfers. In fact your argument is shot full of holes and dead on arrival.  Baylor's top 20 recruit 91.  Top 19 recruit 158.  Top 18 recruit 93.  Top 17 recruit 107.  

Nobody is saying anything about not using the portal, they are saying only relying on it and to not recruit high school kids is handicapping your team.

[NotIThatLives]

Super high impact transfers are nothing new either.  Most recently Michigan had a great team with a few transfers mixed in.  Texas Tech final four run had key transfers.

[Hoosier51]

6 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Super high impact transfers are nothing new either.  Most recently Michigan had a great team with a few transfers mixed in.  Texas Tech final four run had key transfers.

The key there is, a few transfers mixed in. This coach is supposedly going to only use transfers and not recruit high school players.

The transfer portal will be to inconsistent to build a whole team with. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by Hoosier51

[NotIThatLives]

10 minutes ago, Hoosier51 said:

Nobody is saying anything about not using the portal, they are saying only relying on it and to not recruit high school kids is handicapping your team.

Baylor literally just won a championship with the highest ranked kid on the team at 91 but now not getting top high schoolers is handicapping your team?  

 

[NotIThatLives]

19 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I'm not saying you won't use the portal as a way to upgrade your team but to think that is going to be the SOLE way you fill your roster..sorry not buying it. Look at the top 40...tell me which athletic directors there is going to be ok with his coach no longer recruiting HS kids? Talking exclusively recruiting the portal....zero HS recruiting?? No...don't buy it. Maybe someone would have a year with no HS recruits...or would have their targets be primarily portal kids...but exclusively...sorry. You don't even know who is going to be in the portal for crying out loud. You KNOW which kids are coming out of HS..play a position of need etc etc. If it was worded differently or for 1 year only...but I just don't see it. Which school's AD would sign off on that....I'm looking below and I just don't see one. I know it only takes one to say something crazy like this but I'm not buying it as a model for success.

 

1	1	Gonzaga	WCC	31-1	7-0	12-1	12-0	12-1	6-0	7-0	6-0
2	2	Baylor	Big 12	28-2	7-1	10-1	11-0	13-2	3-0	7-0	5-0
3	4	Michigan	Big Ten	23-5	6-2	4-2	13-1	10-3	4-2	7-0	2-0
4	3	Illinois	Big Ten	24-7	9-3	4-2	11-2	12-5	5-2	5-0	2-0
5	5	Houston	AAC	27-4	5-3	8-1	14-0	6-2	5-1	13-1	3-0
6	19	Southern California	Pac-12	25-8	7-3	5-3	13-2	9-7	7-1	6-0	3-0
7	6	Iowa	Big Ten	22-9	6-4	2-3	14-2	7-7	5-2	5-0	5-0
8	7	Alabama	SEC	26-7	7-3	7-3	12-1	9-5	8-1	9-1	0-0
9	15	Colorado	Pac-12	23-9	6-6	6-2	11-1	8-6	5-2	8-1	2-0
10	10	Loyola Chicago	MVC	24-5	8-3	5-2	11-0	4-3	4-2	4-0	12-0
11	17	Villanova	Big East	18-7	4-4	5-3	9-0	4-3	8-4	5-0	1-0
12	16	Texas Tech	Big 12	18-11	5-4	2-3	11-4	5-11	2-0	3-0	8-0
13	8	Ohio St.	Big Ten	21-10	7-4	4-2	10-4	9-6	5-3	4-1	3-0
14	14	Arkansas	SEC	25-7	5-4	4-2	16-1	8-6	6-1	6-0	5-0
15	46	UCLA	Pac-12	22-10	5-5	6-4	11-1	6-8	8-2	5-0	3-0
16	20	BYU	WCC	19-7	7-2	3-3	9-2	3-5	7-2	4-0	5-0
17	11	Kansas	Big 12	20-9	4-6	4-2	12-1	7-9	3-0	6-0	4-0
18	21	Texas	Big 12	19-8	6-2	5-1	8-5	8-6	3-2	4-0	4-0
19	13	Tennessee	SEC	18-9	4-4	1-2	13-3	6-7	2-2	6-0	4-0
20	12	Virginia	ACC	18-7	6-3	2-3	10-1	5-4	4-2	5-1	4-0
21	25	Florida St.	ACC	18-7	3-4	3-2	12-1	4-5	8-1	2-1	4-0
22	24	West Virginia	Big 12	19-10	7-2	4-3	8-5	7-8	4-2	6-0	2-0
23	27	Wisconsin	Big Ten	18-13	5-6	2-2	11-5	5-11	6-2	4-0	3-0
24	33	Oregon	Pac-12	21-7	7-2	3-3	11-2	7-5	7-1	4-1	3-0
25	28	LSU	SEC	19-10	4-6	4-2	11-2	6-9	4-1	5-0	4-0
26	18	San Diego St.	Mountain West	22-5	6-2	4-1	12-2	2-4	5-1	9-0	6-0
27	26	Creighton	Big East	22-9	7-4	4-2	11-3	7-4	7-3	5-2	3-0
28	29	Oklahoma St.	Big 12	21-9	8-4	3-2	10-3	10-7	3-1	3-1	5-0
29	22	Purdue	Big Ten	18-10	5-6	2-3	11-1	5-7	7-2	4-1	2-0
30	9	Colgate	Patriot	14-2	6-0	0-1	8-1	0-1	0-0	7-1	7-0
31	23	St. Bonaventure	Atlantic 10	16-5	4-3	4-1	8-1	2-3	3-1	6-1	5-0
32	44	Arizona	Pac-12	17-9	5-4	0-1	12-4	3-7	3-2	7-0	4-0
33	30	UConn	Big East	15-8	6-3	2-2	7-3	4-5	3-3	5-0	3-0
34	31	Florida	SEC	15-10	5-5	4-2	6-3	5-5	4-3	5-2	1-0
35	52	Memphis	AAC	20-8	4-3	6-4	10-1	0-4	8-3	7-1	5-0
36	36	Oklahoma	Big 12	16-11	4-6	2-2	10-3	6-10	1-0	3-1	6-0
37	40	Syracuse	ACC	18-10	2-7	3-2	13-1	3-8	6-1	6-1	3-0
38	35	Maryland	Big Ten	16-14	4-6	2-2	10-6	5-11	2-3	6-0	3-0
39	32	North Carolina	ACC	18-11	3-7	5-3	10-1	2-10	9-0	4-1	3-0
40	38	Rutgers	Big Ten	16-12	4-6	2-2	10-4	5-9	5-3	3-0	3-0
41	34	Georgia Tech	ACC	17-9	4-5	3-1	10-3	3-7	6-0	5-2	3-0
42	37	VCU	Atlantic 10	19-7	5-3	2-2	12-2	2-4	6-1	6-2	5-0
43	45	Drake	MVC	24-5	9-2	3-2	12-1	1-3	6-0	6-2	11-0
44	42	Penn St.	Big Ten	11-14	3-8	1-1	7-5	3-11	4-2	4-1	0-0
45	41	Clemson	ACC	16-8	2-5	3-2	11-1	3-7	7-0	5-1	1-0
46	47	Missouri	SEC	16-10	6-4	2-2	8-4	7-7	2-3	6-0	1-0
47	39	Utah St.	Mountain West	19-9	6-3	4-4	9-2	2-6	2-1	7-2	8-0
48	54	UC Santa Barbara	Big West	20-5	8-4	3-1	9-0	0-1	2-4	8-0	10-0
49	49	Duke	ACC	13-11	3-6	2-0	8-5	2-5	5-3	2-3	4-0
50	91	Oregon St.	Pac-12	19-13	4-6	6-1	9-6	10-7	2-4	4-0	3-2

I agree most coaches wont be able to pull this off.  

However someone like Cal could.  They have a billboard up somewhere that shows a running total of all the money Kentucky guys have made.  

Some kid scoring 25 a game in the patriot league can easily be convinced he could be a pro with one year of exposure at Kentucky.  I can think of a handful of coaches that could pull this off.  

I've been waiting for that rule change that is going to allow high school kids to go directly to the nba.   The timeline is being set up for Bronny, if he materializes as good enough.  

I did check out the top 100 for 22.  Texas was listed on a few of them so it's not Beard.  I was shocked that guys even in the 50s have already declared as pro.  There are about 10 in the top 100 already declared pro.  

[dgambill]

12 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

Baylor literally just won a championship with the highest ranked kid on the team at 91 but now not getting top high schoolers is handicapping your team?  

 

You think Baylor wins without Jared Butler, Matthew Mayer, & Mark Vital? Those are 3 extremely important parts of their team that had been in the program for years. Baylor has shown you can bring in talent in the portal and play an intrigal role..heck they can even be stars but to sustain a program 12-13 kids all from a portal...hard to build cohesion and unity and sustain your identity as a program (culture) when you are having to basically reteach the whole team your offense etc. It was a special group and team but like others said...exclusively...sorry..I think you could have some good teams but I just don't think you could sustain consistent success at the highest level. We agree to disagree I think on this one.

Edited May 28, 2021 by dgambill

[Hoosier51]

Just now, NotIThatLives said:

Baylor literally just won a championship with the highest ranked kid on the team at 91 but now not getting top high schoolers is handicapping your team?  

 

Lets try this again, he isn't going to use any high schoolers, he is going to basically have a new team every season. I guess I should edit saying top players since that is what you are focusing on. Also I am curious were all of Baylors players transfers? Since we are talking about building a team with only transfers.

I'll copy this since it is spot on.

1 hour ago, dgambill said:

I doubt it. Why is it not a top 10 program? Why is it not a top 25? He said top 40...meaning you have to go all the way back to that level....look at the teams in the 30-40 range and you will find your coach....if ... if he is even telling the truth (and i doubt it). A big time program like Baylor, Texas etc etc still know you get the best talent by recruiting..and you supplement it in the portal. Maybe you land a special kid in there but you still are competing with 300 schools for that kid the same way as recruiting with no guarantees you will land them.

 

[dgambill]

Why won't this coach identify himself. He believes this why wouldn't he just come out and say who he is? Also many kids in the portal do have some ties to the program they transfer to...whether they took visits or they worked with an assistant or was recruited in some way or other before. Not all but let's be real usually there is some connections with them somewhere. Hard to build those connections if you aren't first talking to them in HS and recruiting...even harder if you are doing that but telling them you won't give them a scholarship...first they have to go somewhere else and prove it first!