Hoosier51 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, hoosier_exotics said: Everyone keeps forgetting the two big donors. One to buyout, one to pay the new coach. I would bet my house, the only options were Stevens or an IU guy. I think they got the coach who fell into their requirements Unfortunately I think this is right. Dolson was probably told by the donors its either Stevens or an IU guy, which is pretty short sighted in my opinion. But its not my money so my opinion on this doesn't matter lol. Woodson is our coach now though, so hopefully he hits it out of the park and that we are not in this same situation in 4 or 5 years. Edited March 29, 2021 by Hoosier51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Indykev said: I’ve watched/read a lot in the last 18 hours and this video got me most excited. I didn’t realize Thad Matta was looked at by so many other programs when they were hiring a new coach. The fact that he is coming to IU as an assistant is pretty huge. Think about the wide range of expertise and knowledge between Matta and Woody.....and not to mention AAU/State connections mixed in with legit NBA connections. I’m really excited to see how the next few weeks play out. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iucane Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, Hoosier51 said: Unfortunately I think this is right. Dolson was probably told by the donors its either Stevens or an IU guy, which is pretty short sighted in my opinion. Woodson is our coach now though, so hopefully he hits it out of the park and that we are not in this same situation in 4 or 5 years. Anyone know the actual terms of the contract? I just saw reported as a 6yr deal. I will live and accept the Woodson hire as long as we 1) didn't overpay and 2) didn't leave ourselves with an easy out. For someone who has been begging for this job for years we shouldn't be paying a modest annual salary and have a cheap/no buyout in case this turns into a mistake in 4yrs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Cutter said: It was done to please the people with the most influence on the basketball program. Big donors and former players are the driving force behind this hire. Money talks and let’s hope it brings success This is what it boils down to, it was donors and former players pushing this. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 minute ago, iucane said: Anyone know the actual terms of the contract? I just saw reported as a 6yr deal. I will live and accept the Woodson hire as long as we 1) didn't overpay and 2) didn't leave ourselves with an easy out. For someone who has been begging for this job for years we shouldn't be paying a modest annual salary and have a cheap/no buyout in case this turns into a mistake in 4yrs. I don't think the money details have been released yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Euroclydon said: What do you want to see in assistants/staff? A big time recruiter with relevant connections today, someone with recent success. Someone younger would be nice but it is not the most important factor. I've seem others mention Michael Lewis. I read Kenya Hunter may stay on. I'd still like to see Dane Fife brought in as the lead/heir apparent. An Xs and Os guy or a specialist on shooting. Again, someone with recent success. Maybe another NBA coach/former player to appeal to recruits. This only works if they can truly coach or recruit. I like that Matta is on board to help Woodson navigate the college game. Keith Smart on the bench would be interesting, if he would be open to it. It's wide open but will be crucial to have the right coaching staff surrounding MW. Agree with importance of staff. Since we are committed to “IU guy” model, finish asst staff off with: Mike Lewis AJ Guyton AJ Moye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Well, I've talked myself into this. One plus is that CMW is clearly someone that wants the job, instead of having to throw the Brinks truck at someone to get them to take it. I also like the idea of grooming another IU guy for the job, like Fife, Lewis, or Cheaney. I don't think any of those guys are ready for the job currently, but they could be in a few years, and there should be an established program set up by that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Woodson will fix a lot of things wrong with this program. I would think that the administration is not going to be able to micromanage him and that he will rebuild a culture that has been broken both inside and outside the program. This is Mike ****ing Woodson, a well-loved former player and very successful coach in the NBA. Let's start taking the rest of the Big Ten to the Wood Shed. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: Well, I've talked myself into this. One plus is that CMW is clearly someone that wants the job, instead of having to throw the Brinks truck at someone to get them to take it. I also like the idea of grooming another IU guy for the job, like Fife, Lewis, or Cheaney. I don't think any of those guys are ready for the job currently, but they could be in a few years, and there should be an established program set up by that point. I've seen multiple people post this... what's the obsession with this? I don't understand. Fife wasn't good at IPFW (tough situation, I agree). Cheaney.. just no, he couldn't get hired at UE. Lewis.. I mean, he would be the only one even remotely close. Does this stuff happen often though? Is there any sort of precedents for this? I flat out do not understand the appeal, whatsoever. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Rogermci said: Must read if you're interested in buying into the Mike Woodson hire: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/indiana/.amp/basketball/tom-brew-indiana-home-run-hire-with-mike-woodson-but-lots-work-to-be-done Regarding TJD, you’d think Woody may be a good guy to keep him here. Every single player says that he’s direct and he’ll tell you exactly what he thinks. If TJD’s parents factor into his decision, think about Woody and Dale Davis, two old school NBA guys, sitting down at the same table to reminise and talk about getting Trayce ready for the next level. That’s some immediate rapport. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Regarding TJD, you’d think Woody may be a good guy to keep him here. Every single player says that he’s direct and he’ll tell you exactly what he thinks. If TJD’s parents factor into his decision, think about Woody and Dale Davis, two old school NBA guys, sitting down at the same table to reminise and talk about getting Trayce ready for the next level. That’s some immediate rapport. Don't think DD will be in on that conversation. Trayce, his mother, and Mr. Jackson will be though. I assume DD will give a vote of confidence for MW. Edited March 29, 2021 by btownqb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: I've seen multiple people post this... what's the obsession with this? I don't understand. Fife wasn't good at IPFW (tough situation, I agree). Cheaney.. just no, he couldn't get hired at UE. Lewis.. I mean, he would be the only one even remotely close. Does this stuff happen often though? Is there any sort of precedents for this? I flat out do not understand the appeal, whatsoever. You don't understand the appeal of an IU guy when we just hired Mike Woodson? I don't really care if it's an IU guy or not, but that's clearly the direction we're going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, AxnJxn said: You don't understand the appeal of an IU guy when we just hired Mike Woodson? I don't really care if it's an IU guy or not, but that's clearly the direction we're going. Grooming an IU guy for the job? Idk. I don't see it at all. But no.. to answer your question, I don't really see the appeal. I'll take the 3 most qualified/best fits for our 3 assistants. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephul Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: Grooming an IU guy for the job? Idk. I don't see it at all. But no.. to answer your question, I don't really see the appeal. I'll take the 3 most qualified/best fits for our 3 assistants. Would love it if he could lure Kenny Payne to come take an assistant job. A staff of Payne, Hunter, and Lewis would be outstanding. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euroclydon Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 The whining and complaining is endless for some. No matter what IU does they are upset. Maybe it is time to start with a clean slate and remove the trolls. The same losers complaining Woodson is too old at 63 would be thrilled with Dana Altman at 62 or John Beilein at 68. They are not interested in giving Woodson a chance to show what he can do as a coach and recruiter. If you think it is that bad I'm sure most of us would welcome your resignation from this forum. It would truly be addition by subtraction if some of you were no longer participating as Indiana fans. The same losers should take this opportunity to spend all their time following the Celtics and waiting for the day Brad Stevens decides he wants to coach at IU. Probably going to be a long wait. Good luck to you. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxnJxn Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Just now, btownqb said: Grooming an IU guy for the job? Idk. I don't see it at all. But no.. to answer your question, I don't really see the appeal. I'll take the 3 most qualified/best fits for our 3 assistants. I said OR, not AND with those three guys. I think there are a lot of people that would like to see at least one of those guys on the staff. Hey, I agree with you - I don't care if it's an IU guy or not, and I don't really get it, either, but that's where the wagon is going, so I'm getting on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuckerkorn Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said: Regarding TJD, you’d think Woody may be a good guy to keep him here. Every single player says that he’s direct and he’ll tell you exactly what he thinks. If TJD’s parents factor into his decision, think about Woody and Dale Davis, two old school NBA guys, sitting down at the same table to reminise and talk about getting Trayce ready for the next level. That’s some immediate rapport. I'll add this: many expect TJD to put his name in for the NBA draft to at least get feedback. Now he has the opportunity to work with one of those very people who would be providing feedback. Not only to get the info, but to get help on making the required improvements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Hoosier51 said: Unfortunately I think this is right. Dolson was probably told by the donors its either Stevens or an IU guy, which is pretty short sighted in my opinion. But its not my money so my opinion on this doesn't matter lol. Woodson is our coach now though, so hopefully he hits it out of the park and that we are not in this same situation in 4 or 5 years. If we are in this position 5 years from now then i will just have to except the fact that maybe iu basketball has come and gone..i hope not...we have the right type of AD,coach and staff to get this turned around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Euroclydon said: The whining and complaining is endless for some. No matter what IU does they are upset. Maybe it is time to start with a clean slate and remove the trolls. The same losers complaining Woodson is too old at 63 would be thrilled with Dana Altman at 62 or John Beilein at 68. They are not interested in giving Woodson a chance to show what he can do as a coach and recruiter. If you think it is that bad I'm sure most of us would welcome your resignation from this forum. It would truly be addition by subtraction if some of you were no longer participating as Indiana fans. The same losers should take this opportunity to spend all their time following the Celtics and waiting for the day Brad Stevens decides he wants to coach at IU. Probably going to be a long wait. Good luck to you. I "liked" but I also understand that this is risk in many people's eyes. Emotional regulation is not a strength of many people on these forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: I said OR, not AND with those three guys. I think there are a lot of people that would like to see at least one of those guys on the staff. Hey, I agree with you - I don't care if it's an IU guy or not, and I don't really get it, either, but that's where the wagon is going, so I'm getting on. I'm confusing you a little, my bad. I'm saying I don't understand the need for a "grooming of a coach". I feel like you are making it more difficult on yourself post-Woodson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdhoosier Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: I'll add this: many expect TJD to put his name in for the NBA draft to at least get feedback. Now he has the opportunity to work with one of those very people who would be providing feedback. Not only to get the info, but to get help on making the required improvements. Good point and it’s also a good opportunity for Woody to put his money where his mouth is and show Trayce what those connections mean, whether it’s setting up workouts or Zoom calls with NBA front office and development guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 It's amazing how well known Mike Woodson actually is among NBA players, coaches,etc....shoot even Magic Johnson chimed in last night. I'll be interested to see who fills out the staff but I think my initial reaction of blah was wrong. Players coach, very detail oriented,etc....and if we can fill the asst positions correctly (i.e. recruiters) this can really work well for us. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, IndyFife said: Not sure of the rules this year because of the transfer changes, but too late for Luke Brown? This is my litmus test...lol nope. he could ask for his release. and transfer, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zuckerkorn said: I'll add this: many expect TJD to put his name in for the NBA draft to at least get feedback. Now he has the opportunity to work with one of those very people who would be providing feedback. Not only to get the info, but to get help on making the required improvements. That's the biggest part of this. Woodson can have instant credibility with his players and future recruits. I must admit.....didn't realize the depths of all the All Stars he's coached and knows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, AxnJxn said: Well, I've talked myself into this. One plus is that CMW is clearly someone that wants the job, instead of having to throw the Brinks truck at someone to get them to take it. I also like the idea of grooming another IU guy for the job, like Fife, Lewis, or Cheaney. I don't think any of those guys are ready for the job currently, but they could be in a few years, and there should be an established program set up by that point. He was making 4 million a year in NY. They had to back the truck up. But i get your point. Edited March 29, 2021 by Indykev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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