Coach Mike Woodson Megathread

[MoyeCowbell]

1 minute ago, dbmhoosier said:

Matta probably did.  But no one bigger than the program again...ever.  I honestly wish the IU coaching blunders the past 20 years were due to pure stupidity.  They aren't.  They're by design. 

They were cumulative events that were directly related to the choices that preceded them.

- Davis was retained/promoted for harmony/roster continuation during an extremely acrimonious split.

- Sampson was a diversity hire at then-president Herbert's request. He was/is a good coach, albeit with a few scuff marks at Oklahoma.

- Dakich was a stopgap.

- Crean was an attempt to correct Sampson's wayward treatment of a pretty straight-laced program.

- Miller was an attempt to regain connections to the state's HS talent and have a stronger, defensive-minded approach.

- Woodson is obviously brought in due to his connection with the program's past, but I also believe because he has a wealth of knowledge about the game. I don't think he feels he's 'above' the program; but rather a fortunate byproduct of it. (Fair or not, perhaps some of the previous coaches felt* like they could never overcome that element.) Woodson seems extremely comfortable in his own skin and how he wants to run the program as it progresses into the future.

[*I'm make an assumption here off of my perception of their handling of circumstances and could very well be missing the mark. However, I think that the coaches wanted -- rightfully -- to make their own mark(s) and didn't want to be completely indebted to the past.]

[BobSaccamanno]

1 hour ago, MoyeCowbell said:

They were cumulative events that were directly related to the choices that preceded them.

- Davis was retained/promoted for harmony/roster continuation during an extremely acrimonious split.

- Sampson was a diversity hire at then-president Herbert's request. He was/is a good coach, albeit with a few scuff marks at Oklahoma.

- Dakich was a stopgap.

- Crean was an attempt to correct Sampson's wayward treatment of a pretty straight-laced program.

- Miller was an attempt to regain connections to the state's HS talent and have a stronger, defensive-minded approach.

- Woodson is obviously brought in due to his connection with the program's past, but I also believe because he has a wealth of knowledge about the game. I don't think he feels he's 'above' the program; but rather a fortunate byproduct of it. (Fair or not, perhaps some of the previous coaches felt* like they could never overcome that element.) Woodson seems extremely comfortable in his own skin and how he wants to run the program as it progresses into the future.

[*I'm make an assumption here off of my perception of their handling of circumstances and could very well be missing the mark. However, I think that the coaches wanted -- rightfully -- to make their own mark(s) and didn't want to be completely indebted to the past.]

Very good post.   A very simplistic view is that IU had the chance to hire Pitino in 2001, Calipari in 2006 and 2008, Beilein in 2006, or Matta in 2006 and 2008.  They opted not to.  They stuck with Davis too long and he openly admits the job was too big for him.  I mean he just says that so it’s not controversial.  Glass is not a basketball guy at all, and he extended Crean too quickly etc.  He also didn’t know the right questions to ask Archie in making that decision.  

Sampson was a disaster but at the same time, the way the university laid down and sacrificed essentially four years was fairly ridiculous.  Beyond that, they had overly officious compliance nerds trying to catch the staff in every minutiae instead of finding loopholes and ways to get ahead legally.  Nobody anywhere outside of a few Church ladies give a crap if IU stays in the rules but takes advantage of them aggressively by finding ways to maneuver.  That’s called good business and the real world.  Yet we had a mentality of being hyper clean.  This has all been documented by Rabjohns, Snow, and others.  Of course you’re going to get steamrolled when this is how you think.  It’s academic, ivory tower stuff totally divorced from how the world works in any walk of life, whether it’s business, military might, or anything.   

Dakich was in a meeting so he has first hand knowledge, that the administration openly said that they were de-emphasizing basketball.  So we know that’s not an urban legend.   

These are all self-inflicted moves.  Hopefully it’s all over now with Woody.  Fingers crossed.  

Edited March 31, 2021 by BobSaccamanno

[IU Scott]

4 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Very good post.   A very simplistic view is that IU had the chance to hire Pitino in 2001, Calipari in 2006 and 2008, Beilein in 2006, or Matta in 2006 and 2008.  They opted not to.  They stuck with Davis too long and he openly admits the job was too big for him.  I mean he just says that so it’s not controversial.  Glass is not a basketball guy at all, and be extended Crean too quickly etc.  

Sampson was a disaster but at the same time, the way the university laid down and sacrificed essentially four years was fairly ridiculous.  They had overly aggressive compliance nerds trying to catch them in every minutiae instead of finding loopholes and ways to get ahead legally.  Nobody anywhere outside of a few Church ladies give a crap if IU stays in the rules but takes advantage of them aggressively by finding ways to maneuver.  That’s called good business and the real world.  Yet we had a mentality of being hyper clean.  This has all been documented by Rabjohns, Snow, and others.  

Dakich was in a meeting so he has a first hand knowledge, that the administration openly said that they were de-emphasizing basketball.  So we know that’s not an urban legend.   

These are all self-inflicted moves.  Hopefully it’s all over now with Woody.  

Don't say nobody cares about IU breaking the rules

[bluegrassIU]

5 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Very good post.   A very simplistic view is that IU had the chance to hire Pitino in 2001, Calipari in 2006 and 2008, Beilein in 2006, or Matta in 2006 and 2008.  They opted not to.  They stuck with Davis too long and he openly admits the job was too big for him.  I mean he just says that so it’s not controversial.  Glass is not a basketball guy at all, and he extended Crean too quickly etc.  He also didn’t know the right questions to ask Archie in making that decision.  

Sampson was a disaster but at the same time, the way the university laid down and sacrificed essentially four years was fairly ridiculous.  Beyond that, they had overly aggressive compliance nerds trying to catch the staff in every minutiae instead of finding loopholes and ways to get ahead legally.  Nobody anywhere outside of a few Church ladies give a crap if IU stays in the rules but takes advantage of them aggressively by finding ways to maneuver.  That’s called good business and the real world.  Yet we had a mentality of being hyper clean.  This has all been documented by Rabjohns, Snow, and others.  Of course you’re going to get steamrolled when this is how you think.  It’s academic, ivory tower stuff totally divorced from how the world works in any walk of life, whether it’s business, military might, or anything.   

Dakich was in a meeting so he has first hand knowledge, that the administration openly said that they were de-emphasizing basketball.  So we know that’s not an urban legend.   

These are all self-inflicted moves.  Hopefully it’s all over now with Woody.  Fingers crossed.  

Hard to think Dolson would have taken this job believing the mindset of de-emphasizing basketball was still the mantra. He sure acts like it's a major priority.  So agreed...🤞

[HoosierJax]

[MoyeCowbell]

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Don't say nobody cares about IU breaking the rules

I doubt the majority of the base wants, or would accept, blatant cheating. Or even feels comfortable with "lesser" cheating.

However, trying new angles and approaches to get a leg up on the competition is welcomed (see: Matta in his new role for example).

I think the previous administration's goody-two-shoes, brown-nosing to the NCAA compliance people was a complete over-reaction that really hurt us.

[BobSaccamanno]

27 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Don't say nobody cares about IU breaking the rules

I didn’t say that if you read the fine print.  I said work aggressively within the rules.  
 

EDIT.  I re-read it.  You’re right, Scott.  I could have said it more artfully.  What I was trying to say was we should stay within the rules but push to the edge of the rules,  find loopholes, etc.  

The sport as a whole is a cesspool.  Strippers, hookers, money under the table, academic fraud, the FBI.  It’s all offensive.  I don’t want any of that.  But we don’t need to be out of Leave it to Beaver either.   Find gaps in the rules and let’s go.   What happened to us over a four year period was a massive overreaction if you compare us with UNC who got away with it and won titles.  The incongruity there should not be underestimated.   

Edited March 31, 2021 by BobSaccamanno

[BobSaccamanno]

11 minutes ago, HoosierJax said:

Great sign.  I think recruits and their parents will eat Woody up.  

[jv1972iu]

2 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said:

I doubt the majority of the base wants, or would accept, blatant cheating. Or even feels comfortable with "lesser" cheating.

However, trying new angles and approaches to get a leg up on the competition is welcomed (see: Matta in his new role for example).

I think the previous administration's goody-two-shoes, brown-nosing to the NCAA compliance people was a complete over-reaction that really hurt us.

And do we know that those "goody two shoes" folks are no longer part of the whatever department??   😊

[BobSaccamanno]

18 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

Hard to think Dolson would have taken this job believing the mindset of de-emphasizing basketball was still the mantra. He sure acts like it's a major priority.  So agreed...🤞

I hate to jinx it, but he seems to get it.  He also comes across as very likable.  I thought he wasn’t the best hire based on credentials, but I like him as a person and his attitude so far.  He is the type of guy who feels like you could go to lunch with him and leave as friends.  I also believe he listens (which is a great and underrated skill) and understands the sports. He’s not arrogant or fake at all.  He’s been grinding for decades in the department and is a people person.  This is all based on interviews and how he handles himself but he seems genuine.   

Edited March 31, 2021 by BobSaccamanno

[Steubenhoosier]

1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I didn’t say that if you read the fine print.  I said work aggressively within the rules.  
 

EDIT.  I re-read it.  You’re right, Scott.  I could have said it more artfully.  What I was trying to say was we should stay within the rules but push to the edge of the rules,  find loopholes, etc.  

The sport as a whole is a cesspool.  Strippers, hookers, money under the table, academic fraud, the FBI.  It’s all offensive.  I don’t want any of that.  But we don’t need to be out of Leave it to Beaver either.   Find gaps in the rules and let’s go.   What happened to us over a four year period was a massive overreaction if you compare us with UNC who got away with it and won titles.  The incongruity there should not be underestimated.   

Hey.... leave the Beav out of it!

😀

[HoosierJax]

[FritzIam4IU]

29 minutes ago, HoosierJax said:

Kids been through so much...I'm rooting hard for him.

[Hoosierfan1901]

Look closely to see some familiar faces 

 

[Hoosierfan1901]

[Proud2BAHoosier]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

They look like they could run thru a wall for CMW!!!

Heck, if the FB players can do it for CTA, why not the BB players???

[Indykev]

Midnight on a Wednesday Coaches still in Cook Hall. I never seen Archie here this late ever.

[bluegrassIU]

Midnight on a Wednesday and we are still on HSN. We suck dude.  😁

[Indykev]

5 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

Midnight on a Wednesday and we are still on HSN. We suck dude.  😁

At least I'm out working...lol

[bluegrassIU]

Just now, Indykev said:

At least I'm out working...lol

I am at the waffle house, true story.  😂😂😂

[mrflynn03]

3 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

I am at the waffle house, true story.  😂😂😂

I'm jealous.  Their hashbrowns are unrivaled.

3 am steak and eggs and hash browns?  Yes please!

[bluegrassIU]

10 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

I'm jealous.  Their hashbrowns are unrivaled.

3 am steak and eggs and hash browns?  Yes please!

I recently discovered, steak and shake has great hash browns! 

Oh, and to be compliant....I like Mike Woodson.

[Max]

No armaan in either pic, eh? 

[mrflynn03]

10 minutes ago, bluegrassIU said:

I recently discovered, steak and shake has great hash browns! 

Oh, and to be compliant....I like Mike Woodson.

I think Dolson done his homework.  I'm feeling pretty good about Woody, and Steak and Shake producing hash browns on the level of Waffle House is music to my ears. 

Honestly anyone can make better hashbrowns than I can in my house because they have an industrial hot top and I dont. 

Also, Coach Woodsen, crush that transfer portal. 

Edited April 1, 2021 by mrflynn03

[FKIM01]

24 minutes ago, Max said:

No armaan in either pic, eh? 

Take a deep breath.  Brunk is blotting out 98% of someone.