Goose Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 With the portal system, I believe it will be possible for a lot of teams to be a threat for the Final Four next year if they can get the right players to fit their team. So with that in mind, I think IU needs 2 players from the portal that are better than Armaan was last year. They both need to be good to great 3 pt shooters, and preferably one is an athletic wing and the other a PG. Regardless of position though, adding 2 really good shooters to the team and I think the Hoosiers are a Final 4 contender. Three shooters if Armaan leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, Goose said: With the portal system, I believe it will be possible for a lot of teams to be a threat for the Final Four next year if they can get the right players to fit their team. So with that in mind, I think IU needs 2 players from the portal that are better than Armaan was last year. They both need to be good to great 3 pt shooters, and preferably one is an athletic wing and the other a PG. Regardless of position though, adding 2 really good shooters to the team and I think the Hoosiers are a Final 4 contender. Three shooters if Armaan leaves. Don't ignore that Stewart could very well be one of those shooters. I'd love the kid from Va Tech; him, Armaan, Stewart, Hunter, and Leal could all shoot north of 40%. Add in some more confidence from guys like Lander and Rob to get into the mid 30s and I think we could be looking at a team that can really stroke it and open up space for TJD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 or 2 knock down shooters. Imagine the impact TJD will have on the league if defense had to worry about perimeter shooting. Must have someone that can just go get a bucket at will. I hope that is Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Like to have one of them be in the 6'8 range...The kid from Villanova, Swider, might fit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 I think the most pressing need is size, length, athleticism and shot making on the wings. While we all complained about the guards and shooting, rightfully so, IU really didn't even have true wings last year. If Woodson can get Phinisee and Lander back, we're good there when you also add in Stewart and hopefully Franklin as guards. We're good inside with TJD, Duncomb, Brunk and hopefully Race. Hunter is more of a stretch 4, spot up shooter. Franklin is really more of a combo guard, Leal is basically a spot up shooter, Galloway comes close but he's not over long and struggles to score. IU needs a Troy Williams type. A long, athletic wing who can get to the basket and finish strong while also being at least a threat from 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said: 1 or 2 knock down shooters. Imagine the impact TJD will have on the league if defense had to worry about perimeter shooting. Must have someone that can just go get a bucket at will. I hope that is Franklin That's the thing and key here. If we have shooters that have to be respected....TJD won't have a double team to worry about every single time down the floor. I know it will be different styles but I keep going back to our 2002 team. Shooters in Fife, Hornsby, Coverdale,etc....allowed JJ and Newton to have tons of space. At least I think that's what Coach Woodson is seeking for TJD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: That's the thing and key here. If we have shooters that have to be respected....TJD won't have a double team to worry about every single time down the floor. I know it will be different styles but I keep going back to our 2002 team. Shooters in Fife, Hornsby, Coverdale,etc....allowed JJ and Newton to have tons of space. At least I think that's what Coach Woodson is seeking for TJD. Shooting cures a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison22 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 It starts with coaches who value shooting, and can teach correct form. The coaches themselves must understand it, teach it, and maximize it in games. We've lacked that in the coaching staff for 4 long years. It started when Archie announced the team would practice defense 75% of the time, and offense 25%. I can't imagine how frustrating it was for players to lift weights and focus on defense, then get called out for poor shooting by Archie (which he did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 To be a serious threat on a national level. I think Woody will have to field all new starters except TJD and Franklin (if he stays). PG needs a major upgrade. Lander will need to make a big jump. Rob isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, hoosier_exotics said: To be a serious threat on a national level. I think Woody will have to field all new starters except TJD and Franklin (if he stays). PG needs a major upgrade. Lander will need to make a big jump. Rob isn't it Does Stewart count in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Does Stewart count in that? Stewart needs to be an upgrade to what we had on the floor for this year. In my mind, I have him as starting this coming year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H00sier Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 hour ago, BGleas said: I think the most pressing need is size, length, athleticism and shot making on the wings. While we all complained about the guards and shooting, rightfully so, IU really didn't even have true wings last year. If Woodson can get Phinisee and Lander back, we're good there when you also add in Stewart and hopefully Franklin as guards. We're good inside with TJD, Duncomb, Brunk and hopefully Race. Hunter is more of a stretch 4, spot up shooter. Franklin is really more of a combo guard, Leal is basically a spot up shooter, Galloway comes close but he's not over long and struggles to score. IU needs a Troy Williams type. A long, athletic wing who can get to the basket and finish strong while also being at least a threat from 3. Someone like Brian Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Someone with size that can provide what Christian Watford did as a Jr. & Sr. Confidence from the PG spot with the emphasis on playmaking but still a threat to score 8-10 points a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H00sier Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Watford is another good example ! Like Evans, a 6’8” type that can put the ball in the hoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 I still haven't given up on Rob Phinisee... He has the tools...strength, athleticism, and we know he's a belly button to belly button defender...I don't think anyone in good conscious can say he doesn't more than hold up his end on the defensive end... He just needs that confidence to get back. I'm not looking for him to score a lot...as Coach Woody said, you can do other things to help win games... 3 of the really interesting conversations to me would be between Coach Woody, Rob, Trey, and Anthony...I'd love to hear what he told those guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, hoosier_exotics said: Stewart needs to be an upgrade to what we had on the floor for this year. In my mind, I have him as starting this coming year I agree. So really we need to upgrade two more spots, one of which could be Lander playing to his potential. I'd love to land Xavier Johnson and Cole Zwider; we would be formidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, IUFLA said: I still haven't given up on Rib Phinisee... He has the tools...strength, athleticism, and we know he's a belly button to belly button defender...I don't think anyone in good conscious can say he doesn't more than hold up his end on the defensive end... He just needs that confidence to get back. I'm not looking for him to score a lot...as Coach Woody said, you can do other things to help win games... 3 of the really interesting conversations to me would be between Coach Woody, Rob, Trey, and Anthony...I'd love to hear what he told those guys... Point guards that are negatives on offense can't help you win games. He doesn't have to score but he does have to actually initiate an offense that scores, and he hasn't shown the ability to do that in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, KoB2011 said: Point guards that are negatives on offense can't help you win games. He doesn't have to score but he does have to actually initiate an offense that scores, and he hasn't shown the ability to do that in a long time. New coach, new philosophy...could be just what the Dr ordered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H00sier Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 I’m hoping Coach Woodson will be just the cure Rob needs, I’m not getting down on Archie, you would imagine a good coach could get a player out of s funk. Rob had a pretty decent Freshman campaign- last couple years- looks like he lost his touch and confidence after injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, H00sier said: I’m hoping Coach Woodson will be just the cure Rob needs, I’m not getting down on Archie, you would imagine a good coach could get a player out of s funk. Rob had a pretty decent Freshman campaign- last couple years- looks like he lost his touch and confidence after injuries. I think Rob struggled with decision making in CAM's offense (and if TJD did offer up a veiled criticism of CAM in his presser yesterday, that was it). Something a little more free flowing and not as restrictive might just be a boon for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Point guards that are negatives on offense can't help you win games. He doesn't have to score but he does have to actually initiate an offense that scores, and he hasn't shown the ability to do that in a long time. I disagree. A pg in this day and age better be able to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Point guards that are negatives on offense can't help you win games. He doesn't have to score but he does have to actually initiate an offense that scores, and he hasn't shown the ability to do that in a long time. That may be more of a pass down from Archie. I think with the right psychy for RP, he could be more than serviceable. He has shown that he can get to the rim and shoot the three ball average or shortly above. I think Woodson could instill a confidence within RP to make him a borderline starter, if not a very good bench player depending how everything else shakes out. If he can get his mind right, he has shown he can be a important piece. Everyone wants to throw away players and bank on the transfer portal. Lets keep what we have and fill the other ?3? scholarships with (better) players. If not, we still have RP and Armaan, and lander, and whomever else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 1 minute ago, rico said: I disagree. A pg in this day and age better be able to score. Amen brother! I want a pg that averages about 15 ppg and can drop 30 on ya, if not held in check. We haven't had that since Yogi, and it sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosier_exotics Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, ledies22 said: That may be more of a pass down from Archie. I think with the right psychy for RP, he could be more than serviceable. He has shown that he can get to the rim and shoot the three ball average or shortly above. I think Woodson could instill a confidence within RP to make him a borderline starter, if not a very good bench player depending how everything else shakes out. If he can get his mind right, he has shown he can be a important piece. Everyone wants to throw away players and bank on the transfer portal. Lets keep what we have and fill the other ?3? scholarships with (better) players. If not, we still have RP and Armaan, and lander, and whomever else. I don't think we should throw away RP. Just saying to make a deep run in the NCAA, our offense can't look like a BIG Ten O, and our current group of guards aren't good enough... RP off the bench is just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierJax Posted April 3, 2021 Report Share Posted April 3, 2021 Movement on offense, Shooting %, ability to finish at the basket,Free throw %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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