rico Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Trouble in the Queen City... https://www.si.com/college/2021/04/03/cincinnati-suspends-mens-basketball-coach-john-brannen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Probably Archies next team. I think he could do pretty good there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Heard on the radio that Brannen would bring in kids for meeting and would bash other players saying this kid is the problem. He would do this with every player on the team and would guess this is why so many are leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Lots of things being talked about right now concerning the "why" part. I think UC is trying to make him quit or find something they can fire him for. I also remember a lot of the fan base being disappointed when Brannen was hired. I recall many Bearcats clamoring for Nick Van Exel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 48 minutes ago, rico said: Lots of things being talked about right now concerning the "why" part. I think UC is trying to make him quit or find something they can fire him for. I also remember a lot of the fan base being disappointed when Brannen was hired. I recall many Bearcats clamoring for Nick Van Exel. I would agree with your assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, rico said: I recall many Bearcats clamoring for Nick Van Exel. Curiosity made me search...Van Excel was a player development guy for the Atlanta Hawks when Woodson's successor, Larry Drew was their coach... Since then, he had a D league head coaching position and is now an Assistant Coach for the Memphis Grizzlies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Curiosity made me search...Van Excel was a player development guy for the Atlanta Hawks when Woodson's successor, Larry Drew was their coach... Since then, he had a D league head coaching position and is now an Assistant Coach for the Memphis Grizzlies... So what you are saying is to expect UC on our schedule soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, rico said: So what you are saying is to expect UC on our schedule soon? Unless they go for Archie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Unless they go for Archie I have seen that mentioned on other sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 Just now, rico said: I have seen that mentioned on other sites. He'd be a good get for them I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUFLA said: He'd be a good get for them I think... Yeah, it would be a good fit and a softer fall from grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, rico said: Yeah, it would be a good fit and a softer fall from grace. The Miller name is well known from Sean Miller's years at Xavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted April 4, 2021 Report Share Posted April 4, 2021 I agree that Archie and Cincinnati would be a great fit. He knows Ohio really well. As jv points out, the name stands out in Cincinnati. Plus he’s got a tough mentality that fits. When I think of Cincinnati basketball, I think physically tough. Nice city to live in for Archie too. In view of the offset in Archie’s payout, it would get our $10M donor some relief too. Or, if the donor agreed to donate that amount regardless, it would give the athletic department some extra cash. Cincinnati presumably won’t pay him what we did, so we’d likely still be on the hook but likely at a far more manageable rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said: I agree that Archie and Cincinnati would be a great fit. He knows Ohio really well. As jv points out, the name stands out in Cincinnati. Plus he’s got a tough mentality that fits. When I think of Cincinnati basketball, I think physically tough. Nice city to live in for Archie too. In view of the offset in Archie’s payout, it would get our $10M donor some relief too. Or, if the donor agreed to donate that amount regardless, it would give the athletic department some extra cash. Cincinnati presumably won’t pay him what we did, so we’d likely still be on the hook but likely at a far more manageable rate. So hypothetically, could UC or another school hire Archie and pay him $1 per year for three years and let IU subsidize the cost? It would make him an attractive candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSaccamanno Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: So hypothetically, could UC or another school hire Archie and pay him $1 per year for three years and let IU subsidize the cost? It would make him an attractive candidate I honestly haven’t looked at the contract. But Fred is a lawyer so I’m sure he was careful on that provision. He might have put a burden on Archie to make best efforts to find comparable employment for a fair market value salary. Then if there are shenanigans, you simply write him a letter and say we aren’t paying you because you have violated the agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danomatic Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: So hypothetically, could UC or another school hire Archie and pay him $1 per year for three years and let IU subsidize the cost? It would make him an attractive candidate No, we went over this when Crean was on his way out. Although I’m not certain to the exact language, but a market value is something that I remember being said... Archie would most certainly be a step or more above in experience for the Bearcats program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNWHoosier Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: So hypothetically, could UC or another school hire Archie and pay him $1 per year for three years and let IU subsidize the cost? It would make him an attractive candidate No. It's in the contract IU has with Archie that he must seek a reasonable, competitive salary. Something like this happened a few years ago when Jim Les left Bradley. UC Davis paid him a really low salary and BU sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danomatic Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 I mentioned this in a previous post, but the short and skinny of it is this; UC’s AD and administration looks like a bunch of clowns right now. They’ve investigated Brannen once, and found absolutely no wrongdoing. Now, not even 24 hours after they discovered that he was clean, the AD placed him on leave. Why? Nobody truly knows. I’ve heard the rumors that Scott mentioned, but nothing has materialized and the university looks absolutely ridiculous. Word will get out, if it hasn’t already, about them looking to oust the man without cause. That looks cheap and petty to me. This is a mess that could take some time to clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 UC hasn't been the same bb program since Huggins was done in by UC's President. Hmmmm... sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 UC should take a hard look at Archie and I think he would do well there but going to have to get the guys to always be hard nose tough as nails. He can get the talent there and if given the opportunity he will do well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 12 hours ago, Danomatic said: I mentioned this in a previous post, but the short and skinny of it is this; UC’s AD and administration looks like a bunch of clowns right now. They’ve investigated Brannen once, and found absolutely no wrongdoing. Now, not even 24 hours after they discovered that he was clean, the AD placed him on leave. Why? Nobody truly knows. I’ve heard the rumors that Scott mentioned, but nothing has materialized and the university looks absolutely ridiculous. Word will get out, if it hasn’t already, about them looking to oust the man without cause. That looks cheap and petty to me. This is a mess that could take some time to clean up. Pretty good reading on Eleven Warriors... https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/college-sports/2021/03/121931/uc-basketball-allegations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 10:07 AM, rico said: Pretty good reading on Eleven Warriors... https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/college-sports/2021/03/121931/uc-basketball-allegations So sounds like Gregg Marshall is the leading candidate???!!! lol Yeah that is a mess. Maybe Archie doesn't want a complete rebuild given what is left of the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 7:38 AM, Billingsley99 said: UC should take a hard look at Archie and I think he would do well there but going to have to get the guys to always be hard nose tough as nails. He can get the talent there and if given the opportunity he will do well Are we talking about Archie being tough and hard nosed? The same guy that called his own team "soft" during the season many times?? I'm confused..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 54 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Are we talking about Archie being tough and hard nosed? The same guy that called his own team "soft" during the last 4 seasons many times?? I'm confused..... Fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billingsley99 Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Are we talking about Archie being tough and hard nosed? The same guy that called his own team "soft" during the season many times?? I'm confused..... What I am saying is that if he wants to be successful at UC he better be hard nosed and get his team to play that way or he wont survive their either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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