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20 minutes ago, Madison22 said:

.  These all lead to poor form and injury."

In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are.  Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats.  Let's work on that.

Go IU!

I agree on the let's work on shooting, but Clif has nothing to do with that!

Second unlike, the S&C coaches under Crean where we seemed to have several stress injuries I can't point to an injury I would attest to coach Marshal's training! Concussions, whatever medical condition Jerome had, had nothing to do with coach Marshall! 

I also agree no more videos of Justin Smith havinga 48" vertical, but on the other hand that is coach Marshall's job, creating elite athletes!

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5 minutes ago, Drroogh said:

I agree on the let's work on shooting, but Clif has nothing to do with that!

Second unlike, the S&C coaches under Crean where we seemed to have several stress injuries I can't point to an injury I would attest to coach Marshal's training! Concussions, whatever medical condition Jerome had, had nothing to do with coach Marshall! 

I also agree no more videos of Justin Smith havinga 48" vertical, but on the other hand that is coach Marshall's job, creating elite athletes!

Crean had a lot of ankle, foot, and lower leg injuries that were associated with the sand pit.

Miller/Marshal had 3 back injuries and a lower abdominal injury in just a span of 3-4 years. I'm not sure how they occurred, other than they weren't during games, but those types of injuries are often associated with lifting.

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1 hour ago, Madison22 said:

I'm not so much against him, as I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays.

There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players.  I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself.  He was not impressed:

"There are a lot of things wrong here.  Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press.  Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell.  These all lead to poor form and injury."

Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL.  Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%.  237th in 3-point shooting.  191st in scoring.

After 4 years, that needs to be questioned by someone. 

In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are.  Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats.  Let's work on that.

Go IU!

Clif should be questioned for why our guys can’t shoot? Really? Who was on our roster this year that came to IU a lethal shooter and likely lost their shot because of weight training? Shooters are made in the gym, not the weight room. 
 

From my understanding, he’s been offered the opportunity to keep his job by Woodson. Hasn’t decided if he’s staying or not. 

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10 hours ago, go_iu_bb said:

Crean had a lot of ankle, foot, and lower leg injuries that were associated with the sand pit.

Miller/Marshal had 3 back injuries and a lower abdominal injury in just a span of 3-4 years. I'm not sure how they occurred, other than they weren't during games, but those types of injuries are often associated with lifting.

Archie had a lot of Ankles to under Marshall.

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On 4/5/2021 at 6:14 PM, Madison22 said:

I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays.

There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players.  I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself.  He was not impressed:

"There are a lot of things wrong here.  Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press.  Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell.  (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury."

Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL.  Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%.  237th in 3-point shooting.  191st in scoring.

Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team.  Or maybe he is.  I'm sure the new staff will sort it out

In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are.  Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats.  Let's work on that.

Go IU!

IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. 

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On 4/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, Madison22 said:

I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays.

There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players.  I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself.  He was not impressed:

"There are a lot of things wrong here.  Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press.  Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell.  (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury."

Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL.  Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%.  237th in 3-point shooting.  191st in scoring.

Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team.  Or maybe he is.  I'm sure the new staff will sort it out

In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are.  Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats.  Let's work on that.

Go IU!

Is it Clif??? Is it the kids fault?? Is it Archie?? Hard to say for sure.

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21 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. 

Probably because those guys weren't taught properly in HS. 

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On 4/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, Madison22 said:

I hope his methods are seriously reviewed if he stays.

There's a YouTube video of him and the IU basketball players.  I sent it to a friend who is a UW (Wisconsin) trainer with a national reputation himself.  He was not impressed:

"There are a lot of things wrong here.  Straining to lift, arching the back during bench press.  Having players surround the lifter and clap and yell.  (Incorrect lifting form) leads to injury."

Clif's Indiana bio page is mostly about the NFL.  Okay, but our basketball team finished 211th in the country for FG%.  237th in 3-point shooting.  191st in scoring.

Maybe a football trainer whose bio brags about sending guys to the NFL and who followed Archie from Dayton isn't the best person for our basketball team.  Or maybe he is.  I'm sure the new staff will sort it out

In any case, please no more Tweets about how ripped our guys are.  Tonight's NCAA championship has two teams with top 5 shooting stats.  Let's work on that.

Go IU!

Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room.  

Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday.  

It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court.  

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1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room.  

Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday.  

It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court.  

i agree other than it is his job to teach them to lift correctly if they aren't doing it right.  he's the expert.  most high school coaches are not.  

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3 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i agree other than it is his job to teach them to lift correctly if they aren't doing it right.  he's the expert.  most high school coaches are not.  

I agree... but he can't control them.. is what I meant. 

Conceivable they (19 year olds not accustomed to the weight room) messed up. 

I can guarantee you no strength coach is pushing his dudes to the point there are back injuries that could have been avoided.  

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7 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Straining to lift? I've never seen this used as a negative in my entire life. I've spent 18 years in a weight room.  

Absolutely not his job to teach them to lift. The stronger team one on Monday, the stronger team dominated on Monday.  

It's 2021 no one should be devaluing weight room work.. it is as essential as their work is on the court.  

I don't understand. To me, that is his exact job description.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierDom said:

I don't understand. To me, that is his exact job description.

Does Woodson teach them to dribble? 

It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc.  

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10 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Does Woodson teach them to dribble? 

It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc.  

Hmmm. Are those ways not properly executed lifts? How is he teaching them if not "teaching them to lift". If his job is to just pick some exercises for them to do, then I think he should have a part time job, or even be replaced my a magazine subscription. If his job is to make sure kids are doing things the right way, then he is valuable.

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12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Does Woodson teach them to dribble? 

It's the same concept. He should be teaching them ways to gain muscle in the right area, etc.  

Yes, if Woody recruited guys and they didn't know how to dribble, it would be his job to teach them how to dribble. If they recruit guys that can't shoot, you teach them how to shoot. So if you don't know how to lift, you allow them to lift and hurt themselves?  That sounds like a terrible strength and conditioning coach. Maybe these guys have never lifted in their life:"yeah just go lift, if you don't know how, sorry, try not to hurt yourself." 

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50 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

IU has had a lot of guys with back and/or lifting injuries: Rob, Galloway, Brunk, Romeo (in addition to the thumb). So I hope they do investigate him some as to why everyone is getting similar injuries. 

Just so I'm understanding.....when were any of the injuries to our guys weight room/lifting injuries. This is the first I've heard...because concussions and the core/back issues that I've seen on the team none were attributed to specifically lifting injuries. If they were I'm 100% agree to move on....but this is the first I've heard.

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Just now, dgambill said:

Just so I'm understanding.....when were any of the injuries to our guys weight room/lifting injuries. This is the first I've heard...because concussions and the core/back issues that I've seen on the team none were attributed to specifically lifting injuries. If they were I'm 100% agree to move on....but this is the first I've heard.

I am just putting two and two together and heard Rob did have an injury from lifting. Could be wrong. Just putting this out there based on the other posters friend saying there was bad technique in the video + recent back injuries. 

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Just now, HoosierDom said:

Hmmm. Are those ways not properly executed lifts? How is he teaching them if not "teaching them to lift". If his job is to just pick some exercises for them to do, then I think he should have a part time job, or even be replaced my a magazine subscription. If his job is to make sure kids are doing things the right way, then he is valuable.

You may be partially correct, but every kid has to be disciplined enough when they are not being watched to lift correctly. Do you think the whole team and Cliff stand around watching one person lift at a time? A lot of self discipline that goes into lifting. Not only doing it right when nobody is watching, but also not trying to lift too much. On top of that, eating poorly can negatively affect your body as well. 

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