Stories That Make You Shake Your Head At The World

[Joe_Hoopsier]

1 minute ago, mrflynn03 said:

Yes. And M1 garand if you have one. And mini 30 and....well I don't need to list them all. 

I think you picked up what I was puttin down brother. Well done.

[Lostin76]

3 hours ago, IUFLA said:

You get into a very slippery slope there...

Most people I know buy a vehicle based on what they can afford and the utility they need. Are you going to dictate to a family of 6 what vehicle they choose? Or are we going to restrict the number of children allowed per family? I use to own a full sized Tundra when I use to haul my own hay, because I needed it. I drive what I drive on my commute because it is the most practical and comfortable option for me. No one else gets to decide that. 

And my guns go out of my house pretty much every day. Some days (normally twice a week) to a gun range. My wife and I both like shooting. We're law abiding citizens, but it also serves a purpose to us...again my choice. 

Are there people who wear a gun for show or drive a large SUV for prestige? Sure. But I see many things in life that bother me much more. I see parents with kids dirty and dressed in rags while the parents have elaborate tattoos all over them. But, it's their life...

Neither guns nor SUVs killed or hurt anyone by themselves. Only when humans get involved do either become dangerous. And even then, it's a small segment of the irresponsible that make them that way.

It’s actually not a slippery slope at all. Most nations - smarter than ours - have tackled both issues that I brought up. Does it mean that no one can own a big truck or gun? Of course not. But it means that many fewer do. And that helps. 

Here we have parents driving their one kid to school 10 blocks away in a huge SUV. Then they cry about not being able to park it. We also have people driving SUVs killing kids in crosswalks, then claim that they can’t see the kids. Well, duh. Your hood is like six feet tall, dumba**. 

My Dad carries a gun every day as well. But even he laughs at the frightened dudes with the guns over their shoulder at Subway. We are unfortunately not a nation with a lot of common sense. What we do have is a lot of fear and selfishness. 

[5fouls]

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

Famous last words of every subjugated man in the history of the civilized world...

 

Which is more likely in our lifetime?

 - An armed militia prevents our government from taking away our basic human rights?

or

 - Hundreds, if not thousands, of school children are mowed down in events similar to what we had yesterday?

[Joe_Hoopsier]

22 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

It’s actually not a slippery slope at all. Most nations - smarter than ours - have tackled both issues that I brought up. Does it mean that no one can own a big truck or gun? Of course not. But it means that many fewer do. And that helps. 

Here we have parents driving their one kid to school 10 blocks away in a huge SUV. Then they cry about not being able to park it. We also have people driving SUVs killing kids in crosswalks, then claim that they can’t see the kids. Well, duh. Your hood is like six feet tall, dumba**. 

My Dad carries a gun every day as well. But even he laughs at the frightened dudes with the guns over their shoulder at Subway. We are unfortunately not a nation with a lot of common sense. What we do have is a lot of fear and selfishness. 

Intresting story about tall hoods.

https://abc7ny.com/bike-lanes-safety-cyclists-bikers/5473859/

 

[IUFLA]

36 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

It’s actually not a slippery slope at all. Most nations - smarter than ours - have tackled both issues that I brought up. Does it mean that no one can own a big truck or gun? Of course not. But it means that many fewer do. And that helps. 

Here we have parents driving their one kid to school 10 blocks away in a huge SUV. Then they cry about not being able to park it. We also have people driving SUVs killing kids in crosswalks, then claim that they can’t see the kids. Well, duh. Your hood is like six feet tall, dumba**. 

My Dad carries a gun every day as well. But even he laughs at the frightened dudes with the guns over their shoulder at Subway. We are unfortunately not a nation with a lot of common sense. What we do have is a lot of fear and selfishness. 

I never like to speak out of ignorance, so I'd like an example of a government that restricts the manufacturing, import, or sale of oversized vehicles. If the US would do that, who's the arbiter of who qualifies for what? 

And to be honest, my friend, I've been on this earth 64 years and I have as yet to see any person with a gun slung over their shoulder in any business I've ever frequented. And I live in Texas 🙂

Some people in Texas do exercise their right to openly carry a pistol, but most, myself included, conceal their firearm when carrying. I don't want people to know. I also respect Texas penal codes 30.05-30.07 and 46.03 in respect to WHERE I can and can't carry.

Edited May 26, 2022 by IUFLA

[MoyeCowbell]

15 minutes ago, Lostin76 said:

My Dad carries a gun every day as well. But even he laughs at the frightened dudes with the guns over their shoulder at Subway. We are unfortunately not a nation with a lot of common sense. What we do have is a lot of fear and selfishness. 

Fear is the greatest motivator, as it preys on irrational thought and emotion, platforming potentialities, not necessarily inevitabilities. 

Many people choose to arm themselves for protection. That is rooted in a fear that something bad could happen. I understand how arming oneself and family can soften that fear. I'm certainly not immune to this psychological effect...

Yet that irrationality that a burglar/murderer/Big Government is going to burst in the house isn't as likely as "The Fear" makes it out to be.

[TheWatShot]

4 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Seems like a few of you in here just hate America. You can leave you know. If you think other countries are so great from ours then go live there. I don’t want to live in a country where they pretty much have to tell me when I can take a piss like some of you want here. 
 

I cannot believe we are complaining about SUVs. 

Whenever I see stuff like this, it reminds me of all the "true fans" who tell people to go root for a different team if they don't  think the coach is doing a good job. 

[IUFLA]

14 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Which is more likely in our lifetime?

 - An armed militia prevents our government from taking away our basic human rights?

or

 - Hundreds, if not thousands, of school children are mowed down in events similar to what we had yesterday?

You never know...

But I do know there are ways to mitigate these kinds of tragedies beside taking weapons away from law abiding citizens.

I've already stated this but it bears repeating...the most deadly mass shooting tragedy (Virginia Tech) was carried out with 2 semi-automatic handguns. Should the government ban those as well?

[HoosierFaithful]

Having different views of how the country should be doesn't mean someone hates America.

[Joe_Hoopsier]

9 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Which is more likely in our lifetime?

 - An armed militia prevents our government from taking away our basic human rights?

or

 - Hundreds, if not thousands, of school children are mowed down in events similar to what we had yesterday?

How many of #1 being required would be alarming? 20 times? 10 , 8, 4? Many of use will only accept 0, and we want to peacefully hedge our wishes.

Also, How many of those positioned and properly focused  in #1 are performing #2? 

We need to fix the people, not the rocks they throw. If anything with the rocks available today, that should only enforce our need to fix our people.  

[IUFLA]

10 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said:

Fear is the greatest motivator, as it preys on irrational thought and emotion, platforming potentialities, not necessarily inevitabilities. 

Many people choose to arm themselves for protection. That is rooted in a fear that something bad could happen. I understand how arming oneself and family can soften that fear. I'm certainly not immune to this psychological effect...

Yet that irrationality that a burglar/murderer/Big Government is going to burst in the house isn't as likely as "The Fear" makes it out to be.

Likelihood aside, if something like you mentioned would happen, I at least want an opportunity to defend myself and my family. The only "fear" I have would be helplessly watching something like that happen.

[MoyeCowbell]

1 minute ago, IUFLA said:

Likelihood aside, if something like you mentioned would happen, I at least want an opportunity to defend myself and my family. The only "fear" I have would be helplessly watching something like that happen.

My whole point isn't about putting likelihood "aside", it's about putting it squarely in the center of attention. Your use of the word "would" further illustrates my point.

[IUFLA]

1 minute ago, MoyeCowbell said:

My whole point isn't about putting likelihood "aside", it's about putting it squarely in the center of attention. Your use of the word "would" further illustrates my point.

So what your saying is, if something is "unlikely" I shouldn't be concerned about it?

Calling my home insurance agent and cancelling my policy tomorrow!

[MoyeCowbell]

2 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

So what your saying is, if something is "unlikely" I shouldn't be concerned about it?

Calling my home insurance agent and cancelling my policy tomorrow!

I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned. My original post was speaking to the efficacy of marketing Fear as a motivating factor to purchase guns and how that supports and drives some irrational thought.

[IUFLA]

Just now, MoyeCowbell said:

I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned. My original post was speaking to the efficacy of marketing Fear as a motivating factor to purchase guns and how that supports and drives some irrational thought.

Still not following...

My commitment to keeping myself and my property safe is irrational?

[mrflynn03]

1 minute ago, MoyeCowbell said:

I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned. My original post was speaking to the efficacy of marketing Fear as a motivating factor to purchase guns and how that supports and drives some irrational thought.

For the vast majority of gun owners fear is not a motivating factor for owning them. They are predominantly tools with specific purposes.

[Joe_Hoopsier]

12 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said:

My whole point isn't about putting likelihood "aside", it's about putting it squarely in the center of attention. Your use of the word "would" further illustrates my point.

It just begs the question, what level of "likelihood" is acceptable? I understand that some what to say it will NEVER happen. If that makes you do what you do, carry on. There are many of us (going all the way back to those who created this country) who will not accept "it will never happen". And just to be sure, we will leverage our risk with defense capabilities. 

The next question for the "it will never happen group". What status does my side hold you, in the event it does happen? (God forbid). You are fighting against me now, so...

I'm not saying you are not American, but my sides approach is to be able to defend this for all of us. It seems your side is, disarm and leave it to the biggest potential threat, not to me, to all of us.

Oh well. I pray this all just stays as a disagreement of something that never happens.

[5fouls]

26 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

You never know...

But I do know there are ways to mitigate these kinds of tragedies beside taking weapons away from law abiding citizens.

I've already stated this but it bears repeating...the most deadly mass shooting tragedy (Virginia Tech) was carried out with 2 semi-automatic handguns. Should the government ban those as well?

Virginia Tech was an outlier for quite a few reasons

• Long term situation compared to virtually every other mass shooting. 
• The gunman moved to multiple locations on campus and multiple classrooms versus shooting 2 dozen people confined in a single classroom,
• The Virginia Tech perpetrated took a more sophisticated and well-planned approach than most others. 

[IUFLA]

15 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

For the vast majority of gun owners fear is not a motivating factor for owning them. They are predominantly tools with specific purposes.

Protecting our families is an instinct, probably the strongest instinct, that has been bred into men and women since the beginning of civilization...

Edited May 26, 2022 by IUFLA

[IUFLA]

Just now, 5fouls said:

Virginia Tech was an outlier for quite a few reasons

• Long term situation compared to virtually every other mass shooting. 
• The gunman moved to multiple locations on campus and multiple classrooms versus shooting 2 dozen people confined in a single classroom,
• The Virginia Tech perpetrated took a more sophisticated and well-planned approach than most others. 

Doesn't matter. He killed 32 people and wounded 17 more. And he did it with 2 handguns.

Your whole argument hinges on how many can be killed with a certain type of weapon. 

So, again, ban semi-automatic handguns too?

[mrflynn03]

8 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Protecting our families is an instinct, probably the strongest instinct, that has been bred into men and women since the beginning of civilization...

That ties into what I meant. I don't fear for myself or family. But I am prepared and want the best tools available.  

[5fouls]

3 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Doesn't matter. He killed 32 people and wounded 17 more. And he did it with 2 handguns.

Your whole argument hinges on how many can be killed with a certain type of weapon. 

So, again, ban semi-automatic handguns too?

It's still an outlier.  80/20 rule.  Address the 80 percent with everything at your disposal.  Deal with the other 20% as best you can after the first 80% is resolved. 

Look, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind.  That said, of all the topics that divide people in this country, this is the single most puzzling to me that people can't agree on.  

[Joe_Hoopsier]

8 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Virginia Tech was an outlier for quite a few reasons

• Long term situation compared to virtually every other mass shooting. 
• The gunman moved to multiple locations on campus and multiple classrooms versus shooting 2 dozen people confined in a single classroom,
• The Virginia Tech perpetrated took a more sophisticated and well-planned approach than most others. 

So you're saying there's still a chance. ... That actually has already happened.

I think everyone understands your approach and respect your right to have it. But just so you know, even if I have to suddenly become a felon because of the defense I have arranged for my family, I won't care. Often making the "Right" decision, isn't the easiest.

 

[IUFLA]

Just now, 5fouls said:

It's still an outlier.  80/20 rule.  Address the 80 percent with everything at your disposal.  Deal with the other 20% as best you can after the first 80% is resolved. 

Look, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind.  That said, of all the topics that divide people in this country, this is the single most puzzling to me that people can't agree on.  

I can agree on more stringent vetting to buy any gun...already said that. And I'd back giving money to school to increase security. Fences, armed security guards, single entry points, and other measures that could stop this madness. It'd take a fraction of the money we've thrown around in the past couple of years...

BTW, one of my coworkers was saying today that for a parent to get into his daughter's middle school, he has to show a driver's license via video to the admin office, and be met at a locked door and escorted to the office by an armed guard. 

He said he use to think it was too much...but he doesn't now...

[mrflynn03]

13 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

It's still an outlier.  80/20 rule.  Address the 80 percent with everything at your disposal.  Deal with the other 20% as best you can after the first 80% is resolved. 

Look, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind.  That said, of all the topics that divide people in this country, this is the single most puzzling to me that people can't agree on.  

Why should I have something taken away from me that I use and own lawfully because some asshat broke the law?  I think that's part of the disagreement.

An entity I inherently distrust wants to continously take away but relinquish nothing.