5fouls Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, rico said: On MLBTR it was reported that Krall said there was no interest in Wade. 13 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Reds tried to trade him and cut him because there wasn’t a market. Good luck to Miley but he’s very unlikely to repeat what he did this year. There may not have been a market for what the Reds were asking, but I'm sure some team would have offered the Reds a flier on some low level minor leaguer. As far as not duplicating what he did this year, I agree. But, when you're sitting in between Scherzer and Cole on a pitching statistic, you're keeping good company and have SOME value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, 5fouls said: There may not have been a market for what the Reds were asking, but I'm sure some team would have offered the Reds a flier on some low level minor leaguer. As far as not duplicating what he did this year, I agree. But, when you're sitting in between Scherzer and Cole on a pitching statistic, you're keeping good company and have SOME value. My guess is the Reds are figuring on bringing up some young arms to save money. Plenty of voices on this site have wanted them to do that. My other guess is there's more cutting to be done. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 44 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Reds tried to trade him and cut him because there wasn’t a market. Good luck to Miley but he’s very unlikely to repeat what he did this year. $10M is cheap though for a starting pitcher. 12-7 in 28 starts...and I believe he lost a few because of bullpen. I'll take anyone for $10M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, 5fouls said: There may not have been a market for what the Reds were asking, but I'm sure some team would have offered the Reds a flier on some low level minor leaguer. As far as not duplicating what he did this year, I agree. But, when you're sitting in between Scherzer and Cole on a pitching statistic, you're keeping good company and have SOME value. All day long....to me this was a steal for the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 The last 3 days the Reds have lost Castellanos their best hitter Miley best pitcher Barnhart great defensive catcher What they gained 34 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, IU Scott said: The last 3 days the Reds have lost Castellanos their best hitter Miley best pitcher Barnhart great defensive catcher What they gained 34 million I honestly never paid attention to Reds or their Mgt until joining this board a few years ago. I knew of some stuff but hearing you guys every day.....Reds are inching close to Bears/NFL ownership levels and not in a good way. Such an awesome baseball city. That uniform still means something...and the owners seem hell bent on reminding their fans every year they don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 @Seeking6, for your reading pleasure... https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?122459-Wade-Miley-claimed-off-waivers-by-the-Cubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, rico said: @Seeking6, for your reading pleasure... https://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?122459-Wade-Miley-claimed-off-waivers-by-the-Cubs I thought I was missing something when I first heard about it today. Good to see others thinking the same way. If you want to dump $ fine...but you pickup option and dump after. I'm sure Jed Hoyer is pouring a cold one laughing to himself thinking we have a guy on the cheap who will start 27-28 games for us next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Seeking6 said: I thought I was missing something when I first heard about it today. Good to see others thinking the same way. If you want to dump $ fine...but you pickup option and dump after. I'm sure Jed Hoyer is pouring a cold one laughing to himself thinking we have a guy on the cheap who will start 27-28 games for us next year. There is another possibility here. The Reds and Cubs wanted it this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 12 hours ago, rico said: There is another possibility here. The Reds and Cubs wanted it this way. The Reds want the Cubs to be better than them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, 5fouls said: The Reds want the Cubs to be better than them? LOL, I am talking some backroom handshake or something along those lines. The Cubs owe the Reds a favor type of thing. I suppose it is a possibility...but I will go with the Reds are cheap bastards and have no interest in winning. I now expect Sonny to be dealt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, rico said: LOL, I am talking some backroom handshake or something along those lines. The Cubs owe the Reds a favor type of thing. I suppose it is a possibility...but I will go with the Reds are cheap bastards and have no interest in winning. I now expect Sonny to be dealt. They'd have to drag the backs of their heads in the sand to get under the McRicketts fiscal limbo stick... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, IUFLA said: They'd have to drag the backs of their heads in the sand to get under the McRicketts fiscal limbo stick... Hey! This is Cincinnati...Home of the Bengals and Mikey Brown! The Brown family takes a backseat to no one when it comes to sports team franchise fiscal squeezility!! And general cheapness, stupidity, and selfish "It's our team not yours" approach to ownership. The bottom line rules PERIOD!! Bob Castellini has watched Mikey operate for years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Am I correct in assuming that 4 teams passed on Miley before the Cubs got him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, rico said: Am I correct in assuming that 4 teams passed on Miley before the Cubs got him? FWIW, over on the Yankees fan board, someone posted 7 teams passed on him...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 Just now, Proud2BAHoosier said: FWIW, over on the Yankees fan board, someone posted 7 teams passed on him...... I would assume that all National League teams with worse records than the Cubs had dibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 6, 2021 Report Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, rico said: I would assume that all National League teams with worse records than the Cubs had dibs. I think waiver claims rotate from league to league...worst record in the league of the team that put the player on waivers has first shot, followed by the team with the worst record in the other league... At least that's how I read this... "When a player is on waivers, other teams can submit a claim. If more than one team does, those in the same league as that player's team get first priority, starting with the club with the worst record on the day of the claim. Then, the priority moves to the other league, starting with the worst record. For example, if a National League team puts a player on waivers, the NL team with the worst record gets the first shot at him, and the last-place American League club would be right behind the top NL club." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 Frisco has some major decisions to make: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/the-giants-are-set-for-one-of-the-busiest-and-maybe-biggest-spending-offseasons-of-any-team.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 FW TinCaps lose their manager to the Phillies: https://www.wane.com/sports/tincaps/tincaps-all-time-wins-leader-contreras-named-triple-a-manager-for-phillies/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, rico said: FW TinCaps lose their manager to the Phillies: https://www.wane.com/sports/tincaps/tincaps-all-time-wins-leader-contreras-named-triple-a-manager-for-phillies/ Interesting name for Fort Wayne's baseball team...lot of conspiracy theorists in Fort Wayne, is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, IUFLA said: Interesting name for Fort Wayne's baseball team...lot of conspiracy theorists in Fort Wayne, is there? The team name is in reference to Johhny Appleseed. We call them the "Pot Heads." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 I think I know what Nick Krall and the Reds are doing. They are trying to implement more of an Oakland A's and Tampa Bay type of system in their roster construction and that's why they are listening to offers for Castillo and probably Gray. I think they'll be trying to sign some players like Garcia to replace Castellanos. Get similar production at a lesser value and better defensively. Time will tell if they are successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrus13 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, DC2345 said: I think I know what Nick Krall and the Reds are doing. They are trying to implement more of an Oakland A's and Tampa Bay type of system in their roster construction and that's why they are listening to offers for Castillo and probably Gray. I think they'll be trying to sign some players like Garcia to replace Castellanos. Get similar production at a lesser value and better defensively. Time will tell if they are successful. Interesting approach. Not sure I'd trust the Reds brass to pull that off. Not a Reds fan but their FO has failed the last few years. I've actually thought they could have been really good the last few years but something just hasn't clicked. Maybe it's David Bell but apparently the FO loves him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, landrus13 said: Interesting approach. Not sure I'd trust the Reds brass to pull that off. Not a Reds fan but their FO has failed the last few years. I've actually thought they could have been really good the last few years but something just hasn't clicked. Maybe it's David Bell but apparently the FO loves him. Not saying it'll be successful but it probably is their best chance to have some level of sustained success since they aren't ever going to be big spenders. They do have some good long term pieces on their roster but they still have some holes to fill. If they could get a couple of pieces for Castillo for example then fill the others with free agents this team could be better next year even with losing Castellanos, Miley, and others. Edited November 9, 2021 by DC2345 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrus13 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, DC2345 said: Not saying it'll be successful but it probably is their best chance to have some level of sustained success since they aren't ever going to be big spenders. They do have some good long term pieces on their roster but they still have some holes to fill. If they could get a couple of pieces for Castillo for example then fill the others with free agents this team could be better next year even with losing Castellanos, Miley, and others. I agree with you. Gotta get creative if the owner and front office aren't willing to spend money. I'd like to see MLB institute a salary floor around $100M. I think most teams can afford that these days. Oakland has a top 4 richest owner in baseball and he refuses to spend money on the team. I've heard they're talking about trading away numerous key pieces. Matt Olson being one of them. If you're an owner of a team and you aren't trying to win, you should be removed. You're in the business to win games and a chance at a championship. But it seems like most owners these days are only concerned with selling tickets and profit. I'm a Cardinals fan and I know they're definitely guilty of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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