rico Posted November 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 29 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said: Former Miller recruits who transferred aren't exactly tearing it up. Maybe his main issue was talent evaluation rather than the other coaching aspects. It sure as heck appears that his recruiting may be called into question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyhoosier29 Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, rico said: It sure as heck appears that his recruiting may be called into question. Crazy to think that the smallest thing could have changed his whole path. If Langford doesn’t get injured early on that entire season may have been different. Not a lot of room for error at that level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Crazy to think that the smallest thing could have changed his whole path. If Langford doesn’t get injured early on that entire season may have been different. Not a lot of room for error at that level. The whole Romeo "era" is surrounded by "what ifs?" for sure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Crazy to think that the smallest thing could have changed his whole path. If Langford doesn’t get injured early on that entire season may have been different. Not a lot of room for error at that level. Agree. This isn't a "wish we still had Archie" post, but you're right that the margin of error is so small. If Langford doesn't get hurt and Hunter doesn't get his condition, who knows what happens that year. Also that year, Phinisee missed 2 free throws with a couple seconds left at Iowa, then Bohannon hit a 3 at the buzzer to send it to OT where Iowa won. If Phinisee hits 1 free throw there, IU probably makes the tournament. Follow that up with the pandemic year where IU would have made the tournament, and then of the sudden things look a lot different. Again, not saying I wish we still had Archie, just saying the difference between getting fired and not is sometimes razor thin, as you said. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said: Crazy to think that the smallest thing could have changed his whole path. If Langford doesn’t get injured early on that entire season may have been different. Not a lot of room for error at that level. Yeah, would have loved to see the team with healthy Romeo and Jerome Hunter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 hours ago, BGleas said: Agree. This isn't a "wish we still had Archie" post, but you're right that the margin of error is so small. If Langford doesn't get hurt and Hunter doesn't get his condition, who knows what happens that year. Also that year, Phinisee missed 2 free throws with a couple seconds left at Iowa, then Bohannon hit a 3 at the buzzer to send it to OT where Iowa won. If Phinisee hits 1 free throw there, IU probably makes the tournament. Follow that up with the pandemic year where IU would have made the tournament, and then of the sudden things look a lot different. Again, not saying I wish we still had Archie, just saying the difference between getting fired and not is sometimes razor thin, as you said. Damn free throws..... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: Damn free throws..... Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 I for one can not stand big ten analyst Dave Revsine. Talks about all of the big teams having close calls. How it was a positive for teams early in the year and then comes to IU and says only won by six and they just expected so much more. Who expected so much more? Really first year coach new offense new defense. We won you dip shit from Illinois who is also a Northwestern grad. We know most of you talking heads can't stand IU. What a fricking moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 hours ago, BGleas said: Agree. This isn't a "wish we still had Archie" post, but you're right that the margin of error is so small. If Langford doesn't get hurt and Hunter doesn't get his condition, who knows what happens that year. Also that year, Phinisee missed 2 free throws with a couple seconds left at Iowa, then Bohannon hit a 3 at the buzzer to send it to OT where Iowa won. If Phinisee hits 1 free throw there, IU probably makes the tournament. Follow that up with the pandemic year where IU would have made the tournament, and then of the sudden things look a lot different. Again, not saying I wish we still had Archie, just saying the difference between getting fired and not is sometimes razor thin, as you said. It's tempting to play the 'What if?' game, but the door swings both ways. What about all the shots that did go in that helped secure a win? Phinisee's buzzer beater over Butler in '18, Franklin's shot against Iowa... Certainly there were other makes/plays that secured a win that weren't as dramatic. But what if they weren't made. All of those plays aside, the constant that was present was a lack of consistency, preparation, production and swagger. Those elements weren't "coin flips" but rather benchmarks of a team/program that wasn't on an upward trajectory. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: All of those plays aside, the constant that was present was a lack of consistency, preparation, production and swagger. Those elements weren't "coin flips" but rather benchmarks of a team/program that wasn't on an upward trajectory. And I don't want to live in the past, or put energy into something that already had its time. I'm happy and excited about Coach Woodson and the program that we have now. I'm not questioning the staff's preparation in the slightest. I think we have an inherent level of swagger that's simply part of CMW's persona. The production and consistency are still very much TBD, but it feels like they are aimed towards success rather than the opposite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 10:35 AM, rico said: We got a "Leatherneck" here. And aren't you the one that thought most here were picking Nebraska too low? Yes, well i have them ahead of MN and PSU. Lot of season left to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) Outside of the Big Ten, is there a conference you enjoy watching more than others? I've always enjoyed the Big East. The style of play is appealing to me, and, with no football, their fans are truly passionate about hoops. Watching Providence vs. Sacred Heart right now on FS1. Al Durham looking pretty good for the Friars. In just the 10 minutes or so I've watched, it appears the Providence system fits his game well. Edited November 12, 2021 by 5fouls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02Hoosier Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Outside of the Big Ten, is there a conference you enjoy watching more than others? I've always enjoyed the Big East. The style of play is appealing to me, and, with no football, their fans are truly passionate about hoops. Watching Providence vs. Sacred Heart right now on FS1. Al Durham looking pretty good for the Friars. In just the 10 minutes or so I've watched, it appears the Providence system fits his game well. Just turned this game on as well. I’ve always enjoyed watching AD and rooted for him a little more than others. Definitely going to watch him when I can at Providence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Outside of the Big Ten, is there a conference you enjoy watching more than others? I've always enjoyed the Big East. The style of play is appealing to me, and, with no football, their fans are truly passionate about hoops. Watching Providence vs. Sacred Heart right now on FS1. Al Durham looking pretty good for the Friars. In just the 10 minutes or so I've watched, it appears the Providence system fits his game well. I'd say the old Big East and the ACC. They're both "basketball conferences" IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, BGleas said: I'd say the old Big East and the ACC. They're both "basketball conferences" IMO. Maybe it's the overhype of Duke and North Carolina, but I've soured on the ACC over the last 15 years. I may actually like the new Big East better than the old. I really like the no football setup. I'm not wild about Creighton, DePaul, and Xavier, but I like Butler and Marquette in the conference. With UCONN back, the conference is missing Syracuse, Pitt, and Boston College from the mid-80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Outside of the Big Ten, is there a conference you enjoy watching more than others? I've always enjoyed the Big East. The style of play is appealing to me, and, with no football, their fans are truly passionate about hoops. Watching Providence vs. Sacred Heart right now on FS1. Al Durham looking pretty good for the Friars. In just the 10 minutes or so I've watched, it appears the Providence system fits his game well. Big 12...always a good game on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 1 minute ago, IUFLA said: Big 12...always a good game on... Meh. Kansas and not much else interests me there. OK State is okay, I guess. With the Texas schools, it's all about football. The 4 new schools don't move the needle for me either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Meh. Kansas and not much else interests me there. OK State is okay, I guess. With the Texas schools, it's all about football. The 4 new schools don't move the needle for me either. There usually a boatload of talent in the Big 12. I think Texas had 7 top 50 and 11 top 80 kids last year when we played them... How well they were coached is debatable... Tech was good under Beard...Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma usually field good teams...it's usually good, tough defensive oriented basketball...very physical league... The old Big East was killer...tough basketball with a lot of chippiness...The newer Big East doesn't do much for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, IUFLA said: There usually a boatload of talent in the Big 12. I think Texas had 7 top 50 and 11 top 80 kids last year when we played them... How well they were coached is debatable... Tech was good under Beard...Oklahoma State, and Oklahoma usually field good teams...it's usually good, tough defensive oriented basketball...very physical league... The old Big East was killer...tough basketball with a lot of chippiness...The newer Big East doesn't do much for me... Talent is not the defining thing for me. It's style of play and the atmosphere. Other than Kansas and OK State, the atmosphere in the Big 12 is kind of blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 3 hours ago, 5fouls said: Outside of the Big Ten, is there a conference you enjoy watching more than others? I've always enjoyed the Big East. The style of play is appealing to me, and, with no football, their fans are truly passionate about hoops. Watching Providence vs. Sacred Heart right now on FS1. Al Durham looking pretty good for the Friars. In just the 10 minutes or so I've watched, it appears the Providence system fits his game well. I like watching the ACC in the past because it was a free flowing offense. I also like watching the OBC and the Missouri Valley come tournament time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 After being disappointed in the IU opener, I am kind of relieved to see so many teams struggle. Tonight it was Creighton. They beat Kennesaw State 51-44 and were 1-19 from 3. Checked the box score for Mason Miller but he hasn't played in either game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 UC-Riverside hits one at the buzzer to down Arizona St. https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-uc-riverside-stuns-arizona-state-on-70-foot-heave-at-the-buzzer-from-jp-moorman/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 Some hideous 3 point shooting going on nation-wide so far as his season. Begs the question. Is the line too deep? Or, are too many guys that cant shoot it, shooting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Some hideous 3 point shooting going on nation-wide so far as his season. Begs the question. Is the line too deep? Or, are too many guys that cant shoot it, shooting it? The game is nothing but lay-ups/dunks and 3-pt shooting with FTs sprinkled in. I would say it is how most offenses are ran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, rico said: The game is nothing but lay-ups/dunks and 3-pt shooting with FTs sprinkled in. I would say it is how most offenses are ran. The NBA has gotten to be unwatchable to me for that very reason. You can still find a good college game most nights, but that style has made a lot of elite teams painful to watch because their players have NBA aspirations. As a result, the coaches play the NBA style. I just hope Woodson realizes that 4-24 is more indicative of IU's skill set than some random game where we might shoot 12-24. With our roster, our best chance of success is to go against the grain with the way we play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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