rico Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: I just don't see what Lander adds, at all. I'd say that's truly where I'm coming from. That is just it...I want to see what Lander can add. We already know what we are going to get from Rob. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUDan93 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 I think we can all agree that XJ needs to stay out of foul trouble. I think we can/should all agree that this coaching staff knows what they are doing. Keep in mind that this staff is also learning how to work together. There hasn't been a collection of basketball knowledge gathered on this staff since RMK. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, rico said: That is just it...I want to see what Lander can add. We already know what we are going to get from Rob. That's what practice is for. Lander has not earned any more mins than he's getting now, until this point. There's also a distinct reason why we have a "5 star" PG on our roster, yet, are still recruiting guards soooo heavily. 3 guys that will challenge KL for mins moving forward in the next 2 classes. Edited November 20, 2021 by btownqb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, btownqb said: That's what practice is for. Lander has not earned any more mins than he's getting now, until this point. There's also a distinct reason why we have a "5 star" PG on our roster, yet, are still recruiting guards soooo heavily. 3 guys that will challenge KL for mins moving forward in the next 2 classes. What about Rob? Damn, he is/was basically a 3 year starter. He is what he is and where is he under Woody? Out of the starting line-up. You stick with Rob and I will role the dice with KL. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, rico said: What about Rob? Damn, he is/was basically a 3 year starter. He is what he is and where is he under Woody? Out of the starting line-up. You stick with Rob and I will role the dice with KL. I think we should look at their "per 40" numbers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, rico said: What about Rob? Damn, he is/was basically a 3 year starter. He is what he is and where is he under Woody? Out of the starting line-up. You stick with Rob and I will role the dice with KL. But unless you have seen it in practice.. KL isn't going to play over Rob just because he's younger. That's how you lose a locker room, real quick. Sure if KL goes a shows it in practice.. hes going to get more time. Truthfully.. I dont think KL is very good. His ranking was egregious. There I said it. As far as a backup, Rob offers more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, btownqb said: ...... Truthfully.. I dont think KL is very good. His ranking was egregious. There I said it. As far as a backup, Rob offers more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IowaHoosierFan Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, btownqb said: I just don't see what Lander adds, at all. I'd say that's truly where I'm coming from. I would like to see Lander get 15-20 minutes over the next 3 games to see if he brings anything more than what we can see in the 5 minutes he gets. We know what Rob brings so if we can spare the minutes for Lander, i don't see how that hurts anything. Maybe with more time and confidence he blooms. Maybe he busts and he is what he is. But he does need to be given an opportunity and the next 3 games are an ideal time to try that. I wouldn't be saying this if we were in the middle of the B1G season. If he doesn't show anything then Rob is our only answer and we get what we get with Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) One thing to consider about Lander and practice...He's going against two pretty good defensive guards (XJ and RP) DAILY...Playing against those guys in practice, especially considering he's vying for playing time with those same two, can't be anything but good for his development...And Coach Woody has given him a shout out in a few of his interviews... I'd venture to say that for the most part, Khristian won't be going against defenders of that caliber in the games... Edited November 20, 2021 by IUFLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I would like to see Lander get 15-20 minutes over the next 3 games to see if he brings anything more than what we can see in the 5 minutes he gets. We know what Rob brings so if we can spare the minutes for Lander, i don't see how that hurts anything. Maybe with more time and confidence he blooms. Maybe he busts and he is what he is. But he does need to be given an opportunity and the next 3 games are an ideal time to try that. I wouldn't be saying this if we were in the middle of the B1G season. If he doesn't show anything then Rob is our only answer and we get what we get with Rob. That is not how teams do things though. They aren't just going to give him those minutes to... "see what he does." If he gets those minutes he will have earned them. This is a heckuva shiny new thing discussion. Just like the QB discussion on the football board. Very knee jerk reactions here after watching KL for 13 total mins vs poorer competition. We saw him for 300 mins last year play very, very poor. I agree we need better guards, a lot better guards. That's evident in our recruiting. Edited November 20, 2021 by btownqb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, btownqb said: That is not how teams do things though. They aren't just going to give him those minutes to... "see what he does." If he gets those minutes he will have earned them. This is a heckuva shiny new thing discussion. Just like the QB discussion on the football board. Very knee jerk reactions here after watching KL for 13 total mins vs poorer competition. We saw him for 300 mins last year play very, very poor. I agree we need better guards, a lot better guards. That's evident in our recruiting. I would like to see Lander’s IQ and skill level with Rob’s build…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 One thing that does disturb me a little... I've seen a website and a video on Youtube say that St Johns was a "statement win." St Johns is good, and Champagnie is one of the best players we'll see this year...but they're unranked and picked to finish in the middle of the Bog East (and after watching Seton Hall, Xavier, Marquette, and Providence, that might not be far off...haven't seen the favorite, Villanova, yet)...Statement win? No...Step in the right direction? Absolutely...Syracuse on the road would be another step...But statement win? Again, no... I think our first chance to make a real statement is Ohio State at home on 1/6... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, IUFLA said: One thing that does disturb me a little... I've seen a website and a video on Youtube say that St Johns was a "statement win." St Johns is good, and Champagnie is one of the best players we'll see this year...but they're unranked and picked to finish in the middle of the Bog East (and after watching Seton Hall, Xavier, Marquette, and Providence, that might not be far off...haven't seen the favorite, Villanova, yet)...Statement win? No...Step in the right direction? Absolutely...Syracuse on the road would be another step...But statement win? Again, no... I think our first chance to make a real statement is Ohio State at home on 1/6... I viewed the win over the Redmen as a quality win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, rico said: I viewed the win over the Redmen as a quality win. That would be Red Storm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, rico said: I viewed the win over the Redmen as a quality win. Quality? Sure...But not a "statement." Redmen... 😮 Edited November 20, 2021 by IUFLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Just now, 5fouls said: That would be Red Storm. @ricowas just channeling Chris Mullin and Walter Berry (but not Bill Wennington ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: That would be Red Storm. Redmen or Johnnies but no to the Red Storm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 7 hours ago, btownqb said: That's what practice is for. Lander has not earned any more mins than he's getting now, until this point. There's also a distinct reason why we have a "5 star" PG on our roster, yet, are still recruiting guards soooo heavily. 3 guys that will challenge KL for mins moving forward in the next 2 classes. I'm not sure anyone thinks Lander is anything other than a very flawed player at this point, we all get that he was overrated coming in. But the discussion isn't just about Lander, it's also about Rob. What has Rob done to say that no one should be given a shot at his minutes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Lostin76 said: Am also glad I knew that we had won, b/c that would have been a stressful last five minutes. This is one reason why I rarely watch IU play live...it can be stressful. 🤣 Then there's all the time I don't waste watching crappy basketball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 7 hours ago, IUFLA said: One thing that does disturb me a little... I've seen a website and a video on Youtube say that St Johns was a "statement win." St Johns is good, and Champagnie is one of the best players we'll see this year...but they're unranked and picked to finish in the middle of the Bog East (and after watching Seton Hall, Xavier, Marquette, and Providence, that might not be far off...haven't seen the favorite, Villanova, yet)...Statement win? No...Step in the right direction? Absolutely...Syracuse on the road would be another step...But statement win? Again, no... I think our first chance to make a real statement is Ohio State at home on 1/6... Not impressed with the Suckeyes at this point. They looked very average against Xavier. JMHO 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, jv1972iu said: Not impressed with the Suckeyes at this point. They looked very average against Xavier. JMHO 😊 Like I said in the other Big 10 thread, missing 2 starters (Sueing and Cedric Russell) their 6th man (Seth Towns) and having to play two freshmen (Johnson and Branham) heavy minutes is holding them back...they'll be fine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 3 hours ago, KoB2011 said: I'm not sure anyone thinks Lander is anything other than a very flawed player at this point, we all get that he was overrated coming in. But the discussion isn't just about Lander, it's also about Rob. What has Rob done to say that no one should be given a shot at his minutes? I would essentially argue anyone that has any defensively ability and experience should play above Lander, that so happens to be Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyHoosier22 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, btownqb said: I would essentially argue anyone that has any defensively ability and experience should play above Lander, that so happens to be Rob. Depends how much of a blackhole they are on offense. I like Rob, but man 25% from the field, 22% from three, and more turnovers than assists is not good.... Hard for any realistic defensive standard to balance that out. Don't know if Lander would be any better, and in Rob's defense its a small sample size this season... But it's a pretty brutal sample size. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 3 hours ago, btownqb said: I would essentially argue anyone that has any defensively ability and experience should play above Lander, that so happens to be Rob. I understand what you're saying, but Rob is so bad on offense. I think trying something else at this point in our schedule is worthwhile and if it doesn't work I don't think you'd struggle to plug Rob back in. We know he's going to defend at a high level, we know he's going to bog the offense down. Let's see what Lander can do against some cupcakes as he (hopefully) gains confidence and sees a real, defined role. I'm not convinced that'll work, but I don't see the harm at this point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: I understand what you're saying, but Rob is so bad on offense. I think trying something else at this point in our schedule is worthwhile and if it doesn't work I don't think you'd struggle to plug Rob back in. We know he's going to defend at a high level, we know he's going to bog the offense down. Let's see what Lander can do against some cupcakes as he (hopefully) gains confidence and sees a real, defined role. I'm not convinced that'll work, but I don't see the harm at this point. Greener pastures ahead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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