Hoosier82 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, btownqb said: Wait... the defense didn't have injuries? Lol An All American corner and an all league safety sitting out yesterday and basically the entire year for Mullen doesn't change things against Purdues pass attack. Get real man. We also lost our best pass rushing DE. So that's 3 of 11 defensive starters out against Purdue... 3 of our best 7 players on that side, but yeah, no injuries for that side. Against Minnesota we had all those injuries plus Cam Jones sat out. Still no injuries? I didn’t say the defense didn’t have injuries they just weren’t as costly and catastrophic to the game plan as the offense. My point was simply that the defense far underperformed compared to the offense…Injuries on both sides considered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hoosier82 said: I didn’t say the defense didn’t have injuries they just weren’t as costly and catastrophic to the game plan as the offense. My point was simply that the defense far underperformed compared to the offense…Injuries on both sides considered The offense was not good most of the year last year too. The offensive game has not been good. Edited November 28, 2021 by OGIUAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo123 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 The O line and the offense was horrible all year. They absolutely wore the D down by the first six games. best players on both sides injured and our weaknesses were revealed and magnified for all to take advantage of, and they did! Hopefully we get a OC that will stick around for more than a year. First year DC second year bad OC coupled with injuries was the perfect storm. Seems like some on this board don't like and want to blame ELO culture for this debacle? Why wouldn't want the players to love and respect each other and the coaches? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, btownqb said: Nope. We need results now!!! Don't you know Tom Allen can't put together successful seasons even though he went 14-7 the two years prior to this one!?! We need to win @iowa, Michigan, Penn St and beat a top 5 MSU/OSU/Cinci at home 🤣 No excuse. Ha, there is a bit of room in the continuum between you sarcastically implying the fans expected IU to beat all 6 of those ranked teams and the total no-show we endured this year. I think having a snowballs chance (ie have somewhat of a chance in the second half) in hell against 2 of Iowa, UM, PSU and a split with MSU/UC (both of which we could have beaten) was a reasonable expectation. We have at least sometimes been in games against teams like OSU, even with a QB like Zander, but this year we were not a remote threat to IA, UM, PSU, OSU. I’m not saying we should have beaten any of them but we were a zero threat. Edited November 28, 2021 by IU878176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Hoosier82 said: I didn’t say the defense didn’t have injuries they just weren’t as costly and catastrophic to the game plan as the offense. My point was simply that the defense far underperformed compared to the offense…Injuries on both sides considered No. You're wrong. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, IU878176 said: Ha, there is a bit of room in the continuum between you sarcastically implying the fans expected IU to beat all 6 of those ranked teams and the total no-show we endured this year. I think having a snowballs chance (ie have somewhat of a chance in the second half) in hell against 2 of Iowa, UM, PSU and a split with MSU/UC (both of which we could have beaten) was a reasonable expectation. We have at least sometimes been in games against teams like OSU, even with a QB like Zander, but this year we were not a remote threat to IA, UM, PSU, OSU. I’m not saying we should have beaten any of them but we were a zero threat. We did have a snowballs chance against MSU and UC. That was evident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Thank the lord he is gone! Awful!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Hoosier82 said: I didn’t say the defense didn’t have injuries they just weren’t as costly and catastrophic to the game plan as the offense. My point was simply that the defense far underperformed compared to the offense…Injuries on both sides considered Regardless of injuries, the defense played good enough to beat MSU and UC. In some of the blowouts they played ok considering what the offense gave them. The only games the offense played well in were Idaho and WKU. Outside of those games (and the first drive) they never seemed in sync. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDIUFAN Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 5 hours ago, IndyHoosier22 said: No excuse for Hiller to stay on staff either with how horrendous our offensive line was either Totally agree! Hiller has done nothing with this offensive line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artesian_86 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 If I’m an incoming OC, potentially the asst. head coach, I want my own assistants….. It’s a no brainer! I’m sure Coach Allen is thinking about that as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: If I’m an incoming OC, potentially the asst. head coach, I want my own assistants….. It’s a no brainer! I’m sure Coach Allen is thinking about that as well. I agree. I don’t know the details of a hire like this, but I can’t imagine it helps to say “we want you to run our offense and be accountable for the results. Also, you have to keep these position coaches regardless of how they fit with your scheme because we just hired them.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, jojo123 said: The O line and the offense was horrible all year. They absolutely wore the D down by the first six games. best players on both sides injured and our weaknesses were revealed and magnified for all to take advantage of, and they did! Hopefully we get a OC that will stick around for more than a year. First year DC second year bad OC coupled with injuries was the perfect storm. Seems like some on this board don't like and want to blame ELO culture for this debacle? Why wouldn't want the players to love and respect each other and the coaches? ELO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, btownqb said: We did have a snowballs chance against MSU and UC. That was evident. I agree and that’s exactly what I said. Didn’t have a snowballs chance against IA, PSU, UM and should have split with MSU and UC (both of whom we could have beaten). Edited November 28, 2021 by IU878176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 3 hours ago, IUJoe said: Players quit. It was pretty obvious from where I sat. By "lost," I mean they quit. Making a change in-season MAY have at least sent the message to the players that nobody's throwing in the towel on the season. Especially to the seniors. It's not even about changing the scheme mid-season. It's simply about sending the message that we care enough about you to make a change to something that is obviously not working, and gone horribly wrong. Especially if Allen's decision was already made. Of course, if the LEO culture is as real as they want us to believe, it could be argued that players shouldn't have quit on their teammates no matter what. Hell yes they quit. I picked a load of them up after the MD. loss. From the bus to a party. Thats when I quit on IU football for good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGIUAndy Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Indykev said: Hell yes they quit. I picked a load of them up after the MD. loss. From the bus to a party. Thats when I quit on IU football for good. So you thought they would go back and study film? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, Artesian_86 said: If I’m an incoming OC, potentially the asst. head coach, I want my own assistants….. It’s a no brainer! I’m sure Coach Allen is thinking about that as well. Our RB coach is our Asst. Head coach, thats how we got him to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, OGIUAndy said: So you thought they would go back and study film? No, but going right to parties after you get your ass beat every week, having tutors write your papers and do your projects is all I need to know what shape IU football is in under Tom Allen. But at least we have LEO and a 30 million dollar buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBQ Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, IU878176 said: I agree and that’s exactly what I said. Didn’t have a snowballs chance against IA, PSU and UM should have split with MSU and UC (both of whom we could have beaten). I’d argue the defense was good enough Iowa 34-6 14 scored by Iowa on pick 6s. That’s 20 points given up by the defense. UM 29-7 UM was held to mostly field goals. It was 17-7 at half. One UM touchdown came after IU fumbled on their own 31. Penn St 24-0 The offenses longest drive was 8 plays. That drive ended in an interception. This defense certainly wasn’t dominant, but before the injuries set in they were good enough to give you a chance in every game. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Indykev said: Hell yes they quit. I picked a load of them up after the MD. loss. From the bus to a party. Thats when I quit on IU football for good. Then go away. Please. Edited November 28, 2021 by btownqb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, btownqb said: Then go away. Please. Shut up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 I know everyone is frustrated by the season, but let's keep it civil guys and get back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Indykev said: Shut up Don't you know who you are dealing with because he is the football genius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 minute ago, IU Scott said: Don't you know who you are dealing with because he is the football genius. I know...I try not to be rude , most of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Guys, it's enough with the personal stuff. Move on or get back on topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, BGleas said: I know everyone is frustrated by the season, but let's keep it civil guys and get back on topic. Sorry, my bad, but that was civil compared to what I didnt send. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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