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  1. Also-- if our roster decisions weren't fireable enough offenses to begin with, if getting our asses kicked REGULARLY isn't fireable enough, if the lack of responsibility taken isn't fireable enough to begin with.. How many millions of dollars did our basketball staff waste recruiting the 2024 class to get exactly ZERO of them?
    27 points
  2. Sent my letter to Scott Dolson, Pam Whitten, and the BoT. Very respectful; probably too long but hey it's my one chance, and I'm not sure anyone will actually read it anyway, but I guess it adds to the #'s. Here's my last sentence: "A change in leadership need not minimize the legend of a great player; it can instead emphasize that these current young men deserve the opportunity to be great players themselves." And I mean that sincerely.
    25 points
  3. Woodson not being fired the day after he walked out on his team after getting absolutely embarrassed by a group of average basketball players and Fred Hoiberg is absolutely beyond me. Nebraska laughed us off the floor. Dudes throwing up hand signs, literally flexing on us.. If Friday night wasn't embarrassing for our admin, nothing will be.
    24 points
  4. Trilly said Dolson met with some notable former players today and the message was simple. They want Woodson GONE!
    23 points
  5. Just like I initially feared when the rumor about Alford being first in line was kicked around. I remember saying to one of our members in PM that I hope IU does the right thing and stays away from a nostalgic hire like Alford. Then Woodson was announced and like everyone else I was in complete shock. At least I had heard of Alford but Woodson? Wth… I guess we have forgotten what Fred Glass said when he fired Crean? Crean who hit his ceiling and wasn't going to take IU far enough quick enough. One year removed from a B1G championship. But Mike Woodson can take Archies generational talent who was already putting the team on his back and somehow get credit for the kid growing up and getting reps. Trace was a beast in high school and was gonna beast no matter who he played for and you wont convince me otherwise. Thats what generational talent does. It gets shinier with age and experience. Jalen who was brought here thanks to Hunter was so far ahead of any current IU guards it was clear as day. I remember mentioning that back then when a lot of folks was stuck on XJ. Jalen was gonna ball no matter who he played for and if it wasnt for XJs bad luck, would have not got the chance to show IU fans what he could do in year one. Again, super talented kid who was going places no matter what. Love Leal and Galloway don't get me wrong. Kids that grew up wearing candy stripes. Love that! But be real, they aren't championship caliber guards. On one hand, glad to have em back. On the other hand, we need better guards talent wise that would effectively render Leal and Galloway as bench players. If we want to be really good. Thats what its going to take. Really good guards. No offense to our older HSN members but I mean give me a break. Bring in a nearly 70 year old guy because the 70 year old crowd likes him for his jump shot while playing for IU in 1917 knowing he cant make it happen so you hire another semi retired college coach to train and oversee his operations. It was setup for failure from the beginning. I mean really, tell me what Mike Woodson has done for the program for him to be worthy of hanging on to. Tell me something he has done better than Crean who was fired for not being good enough. The longer they drag this along the angrier the fanbase is going to be and further back they set the program. And, the more disdain for Mike Woodson and anyone that supports him. ”Chill” and let Mike swing enough times he might get lucky just don't make sense to me. Train ol’ Mikey on IUs dime and hope the fans are patient. Man I just don't get it. It’s just basketball but the ignorance around the program is killing it. But, Im also near the point of giving up. It’s turning out to be a complete waste of time and energy. Hopefully thats my last rant. Yeah I probably care about the program too much.
    22 points
  6. This blame the fans narrative is annoying me more and more. It's like a doctor treating the symptoms but not addressing how you can prevent the disease. If the administration wasn't a complete 🤡 show and totally unserious about the basketball program, then the fans wouldn't be an issue whatsoever.
    22 points
  7. The bolded isn't because of the fans. The bolded is because IU's athletic department and hierarchical structure is extremely poorly run. Maybe the fans should just go away and then we can see what that does? Literally turn this into Minnesota basketball. Let's have a half-empty Assembly Hall all year. The fans weren't a problem when they packed Assembly Hall in 2008-09 to watch a team of baseball players and walk-ons. Think that happens at Clemson? Think a freshmen averaging 2ppg is going to lead in NIL apparel sales at Ole Miss? IU has some crazy, bad fans. No doubt, and no argument from me on that. But, so does Duke, UNC, Kansas, UK, Michigan, Louisville, Alabama, etc., etc. This is not even remotely unique to IU. The difference is that IU's athletic department has been a joke. Fix the admin, hire a real, accomplished college basketball coach, and the fans aren't a problem. I'd also argue that IU's fans are the biggest reason the fix can actually be really easy and simple.
    20 points
  8. Woodson had an incredible opportunity to take responsibility and maybe even instill a little faith back in some of us last night in the post game. He chose to, again, act like a disconnected tool. If this shit wasn't bred into me, I'd be done.
    20 points
  9. Well, last time I was posting here people lost their minds because I was wrong on Boogie (sorry. but in reality, woodson screwed up w/ boogie. he was ours.............) As far as I know Woodson will prob step down after the BTT. It'll be "mutual". I had doubts a few weeks ago that we were "in talks" with Pearl, but it seems like there really is something going on. Pearl would turn this program around fast. Theres just a few "in charge" that have a problem w/ Pearls past. Woody is a dead man walking.
    20 points
  10. Buckner and Co are f'ing this up so bad that I have to start agreeing with Dakich on some things. Gross.
    20 points
  11. I can't stand Gregg Doyle but he needs to write an article about Buckner and his mess he's created with IU basketball.
    19 points
  12. I have no problem being a bad guy about this. I don’t want Woodson. He is not the answer and idc if we are 3-5 wins better next year he isn’t the man and we need to move on. We are already going to throw away next year. 🤬 If fans go silent then they’re complacent and they’re saying “oh well we are what we are.” That’s the defeatist attitude that has us where we are already. If I hear one more ignorant fan saying “IU isn’t IU anymore and we need to move on and accept it” I’m gonna PUKE. IU still has everything to be a yearly top 10 program. i want a new coach and im not ok otherwise. And if more fans had a “screw you I'm not taking it ANYMORE attitude” it would catch on and change would be forced. I’m not buying another IU anything till we get our 💩 together and take this seriously. Rant over. for now… 😂
    18 points
  13. Latest rumor is our open scholarship is going to enter the portal.
    18 points
  14. Trilly update: "At this point my understanding is that if Dolson can get the right guys to flip, they'll make the move. And if they make the move, Bruce Pearl is in line to be the guy."
    18 points
  15. Might be an upgrade from one that doesn't make it at all?
    17 points
  16. Sometimes the girl at the bar is ugly, but it doesn't mean you can't have a good time.
    17 points
  17. Lord, is everybody on their man period today? Jeez
    17 points
  18. He's done NOTHING since he landed Mackenzie. Literally nothing. I thought that was the start of something special. Then he got lazy. Please step down.
    17 points
  19. I think this is super plausible and most likely what happened. I also think it's embarrassing that Bill Self is playing chess with our recruits, while our coach is asleep at the wheel. Time for this program to get serious about basketball and hire a coach that is also playing chess.
    17 points
  20. Wish I could find the tweet, someone shared it in a postgame thread a couple of weeks ago, but when I hear this news I think back to that Woodson quote last year when he said, "it's not my job to get Miller Kopp shots." As a shooter seeing a team struggle to shoot last season and hear the coach say that about the one good shooter, I would be terrified to play there.
    17 points
  21. The families of these players know that and the other staffs are aware as well and trust me it is being used. There is a strong narrative out there that guys like Sisley and Mullins do not fit what CMW is looking for. As a high school player in the state of Indiana having the IU staff show up for your sectional game just means a little more. When the best program in the state the past decade makes the effort and says this is why we are where we are with guys just like you that fit OUR system the kids and parents are listening. For each of these guys every game the rest of this year could be their last competitive game of the year. Having the staff there is important. We all know what AAU is, not knocking I got my coaching start there but its not the same. IU is BLOWING it with 2 in state kids that mark my words will kill us for 4 years at either PU or ND. I said it with Braden Smith and I am saying it again. this staff is losing the recruiting battle in state and on the court to PU.
    17 points
  22. The team went into the stands to celebrate, like they did two years ago. What a shot by Rich Janzaruk.
    16 points
  23. After March-October, and then from what we've seen from Gunn, Banks, Cupps, no Newton, and an open scholly.. coupled with our horrible play early on... How in the world was it Dec 29th before Leal saw double digit mins?
    16 points
  24. Always love hearing game winners from this man.
    16 points
  25. What’s Purdue’s campus got to do with this?
    16 points
  26. He would have parked correctly but couldn't get his car over the hump.
    16 points
  27. It'll be Pearl or May. Either way I'll take it.
    16 points
  28. I don’t think so. There’s more to this decision than the product on the floor.
    16 points
  29. I've intentionally stayed out of this discussion because I figured one of you more seasoned observers would bring it up, but so far I haven't seen it. First off, I REALLY wanted Woody to succeed. No reservations about it. But...he hasn't. And I have a theory, and it's just that...a theory. The vast majority of Woody's life has been in the NBA. Only 4 years @ IU, and 30+ years in the league. They play (or used to) 82 games a year. No NBA team EVER comes close to an undefeated season. And in Woody's tenure, he became "accustomed" to losing. The question was how many? To me, he just seems all too comfortable with losing, and "gotta keep working" and moving on to the next game, almost like there are an infinite number of games to make it work. His reluctance to make adjustments to starting lineups is frustrating to me, always has been. Even when a bench player far exceeds a starter's production, he sometimes doesn't even get into the next game, much less get a starting position, or major minutes. Our fundamentals stink, offense is in slow-mo most of the time, and no real leadership IMO. Now I'm sure Woody has forgotten more about the game, than I'll ever know. But in life, some things are obvious, even to casual observers.
    16 points
  30. Galloway’s 12 assists are a result of his heart, energy and perseverance. Congrats to Trey.
    16 points
  31. Player vs coach is very different. Not every chemist can teach chemistry. For me, it’s having a framework to coach, including a philosophy, methodology, operational planning, etc. I’m not saying Dusty is the next RMK in being a young coach who turns out to be a generational coach, but being at FAU forced him to develop a framework to achieve a winning culture (imo) at a place that didn’t have one. What I see, as a non-player & mere fan, from Woodson is the implementation of a framework that hasn’t worked. It has consistently not worked. And he has shown no interest in changing that framework. He has no interest from what I can tell to adapt his framework to implement and achieve a winning culture. Having Coach Cignetti leading IU football gives IU fans a window into what that framework looks like in 2024. That’s what I’m looking for in a coach, that ability to develop & implement a framework for achieving a winning culture.
    15 points
  32. Dolson should be on the phone with Pearl tonight
    15 points
  33. I know this is a little thing, but watch Leal after he makes the bucket...No elaborate celebrating... He finds someone to guard on the in bounds...
    15 points
  34. CMW would have very much softened the blow of XJ's "injuries, immaturity, and stupidity" if he had either 1. added another player in the portal instead of leaving a scholly open 2. Told someone to take a hike and filled the scholly that way. He left himself up for the criticism by failing to do his job. Then he lost McNeeley.
    15 points
  35. Don't be jealous y'all but I got my signed certificate back from Woody this morning. 💪😎🤘
    15 points
  36. I have a problem if he’s referring to fans asking questions and wanting better leadership for the players. He could have answered professionally when asked at various opportunities but chose not to do so. He’s had plenty of opportunities to explain various aspects of his coaching, and he continually chooses not to. He doesn’t like being questioned. I have found him to be defensive with his answers, and thanking “true fans” is bit of a slap in the face to those who care and ask questions. Questioning the coach does not make one not a “true fan”, I would argue the opposite. It’s very ok for a fan to ask questions and not be pleased with leadership. Two things can be true at the same time: one can be a fan of a team AND question aspects of coaching. These are not mutually exclusive.
    15 points
  37. So im texting with a former player (under Crean) who I used to hang around with when I was at IU. "IU fans can definitely be a pain in the ass, but they are right this time. Woodsons ego is getting in the way. There has to be a change. I'll always love Tom, he had the passion IU needs right now. Never should have gotten rid of em" Not that his opinion really matters, but I figured id throw it out there.
    15 points
  38. Oh yeah, agree on the point the decision wasn't made in the last 24 hours. Completely agree. I think it was more Sleepy Mike fumbling the bag though, as opposed to anything $ Bill did. Self just took advantage of another coach completely dropping the ball.
    15 points
  39. If Quinn Buckner is seriously adamant that CMW is getting a 4th year and won't even have a discussion otherwise... first of all F*** him and he should be removed immediately.
    15 points
  40. if he stays and he and the staff have not been out this week to see Sisley or Mullins then the whole situation is far worse than I thought. I just dont see how they bring him back.
    15 points
  41. I will say this. It was nice to see IU win last night. That said I don't believe that game or any others will have any real impact on a decision. If Dolson can get a proven coach in the bag a move will be made. IU is about to be in recruiting purgatory because of Woodson's contract situation. He would need an extension to help that and that's just not happening.
    15 points
  42. Good morning, Hoosiers. Have heard via Trilly that Woodson has secured 2 players returning that may have been wavering (this is my paraphrasing and reading tea leaves from his posts). My analysis of the current IU bball situation hasn’t changed. It makes me sick to my stomach to say this but I feel like I’m being used as an IU fan by the booster cartel keeping CMW in place despite the factual record of poor job performance and lack of leadership, which starts at the top. Like this is their project and I’m expected to fill a seat for merely being an IU fan. Taken for granted. Love these kids, but that’s not the way it works. It doesn’t feel good to say that, but this is where I’m at. I don’t have any confidence the adults in charge will do any deep thinking or inner work that leads to making necessary changes. (Caveat to add, I don’t think the entire athletic department is included in this cartel. I do think there is a divide.) Anyway, hope the guys have a great game today in front of the home crowd. That would be great for them.
    14 points
  43. 14 points
  44. As an IU fan, I am both extremely furious and embarrassed at the currrent state of this basketball program right now!
    14 points
  45. Jordan Hulls has to be wanting to stab his eyeballs when he watches our offense.
    14 points
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