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2 hours ago, 5fouls said:

Fauci not convinced Covid-19 developed naturally.  Most people have shared that belief for the last 16 months.  Why is he just now publicly admitting it?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/05/24/fauci-not-convinced-covid-19-coronavirus-developed-naturally-sot-vpx-newday.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

Good question, but I think that was just as political as another portion of the population refusing the vaccine.  From day one, the blame for this pandemic should have been 100% on the Chinese.  I have some pretty strong opinions about why so many refused to put the blame where it belonged.

How on earth can you otherwise reconcile a government prohibiting travel between provinces but allowing travel internationally?  Make no mistake here...(1) The Chinese were deliberately testing gain of function in Wuhan, (2) This virus (probably unintentionally) escaped the lab in the fall of 2019 when several lab workers got sick and (3) once Chinese officials realized the horse was out of the barn, they deliberately made travel policies that (a) reduced the spread inside of China and (b) increased the spread outside of China.

...and with that evil empire, you can also bet they are working on viruses that the Chinese themselves are resistant or even immune to, but would be disastrous for other global populations.  Rest assured that if they can figure that out, they will do it.  The Chinese government is not the only evil empire on the globe, but I'd venture they are the most technologically advanced.  What we witnessed the past 18 months is a trial run at biological warfare.  May have not started out that way, but I guarantee once it was loose, the Chinese government decided to see how it might work out.

You won't convince me that didn't happen.

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On 5/25/2021 at 4:14 PM, FKIM01 said:

Good question, but I think that was just as political as another portion of the population refusing the vaccine.  From day one, the blame for this pandemic should have been 100% on the Chinese.  I have some pretty strong opinions about why so many refused to put the blame where it belonged.

How on earth can you otherwise reconcile a government prohibiting travel between provinces but allowing travel internationally?  Make no mistake here...(1) The Chinese were deliberately testing gain of function in Wuhan, (2) This virus (probably unintentionally) escaped the lab in the fall of 2019 when several lab workers got sick and (3) once Chinese officials realized the horse was out of the barn, they deliberately made travel policies that (a) reduced the spread inside of China and (b) increased the spread outside of China.

...and with that evil empire, you can also bet they are working on viruses that the Chinese themselves are resistant or even immune to, but would be disastrous for other global populations.  Rest assured that if they can figure that out, they will do it.  The Chinese government is not the only evil empire on the globe, but I'd venture they are the most technologically advanced.  What we witnessed the past 18 months is a trial run at biological warfare.  May have not started out that way, but I guarantee once it was loose, the Chinese government decided to see how it might work out.

You won't convince me that didn't happen.

Biopreparat, was the defunct USSR's secret bioweapons program started in the 70's.  They attempted to aerosolize Ebola among other biological organisms like Anthrax.  If anyone thinks, China, Russia, and the beloved USA arent continuing with secrect development of bioweapons they have their head in the sand. Geneva Accords be damned. 

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34 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said:

Biopreparat, was the defunct USSR's secret bioweapons program started in the 70's.  They attempted to aerosolize Ebola among other biological organisms like Anthrax.  If anyone thinks, China, Russia, and the beloved USA arent continuing with secrect development of bioweapons they have their head in the sand. Geneva Accords be damned. 

I'm only quoting myself to add 

This

A good read on bioweapon development 

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1 hour ago, RoadToZion said:

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere but, a friend of mine renewed his season tickets and IU told him Assembly Hall will be at full capacity. 

Great to hear.  Thanks for sharing.

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On 5/25/2021 at 1:12 PM, 5fouls said:

Fauci not convinced Covid-19 developed naturally.  Most people have shared that belief for the last 16 months.  Why is he just now publicly admitting it?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/05/24/fauci-not-convinced-covid-19-coronavirus-developed-naturally-sot-vpx-newday.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

Maybe because he was hoping the new White House would conveniently shut down the ongoing investigation into the Wuhan lab started under the last administration....(which Biden did https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/biden-shut-down-trump-effort-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html )

and this (https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/fauci-admits-nih-funding-of-wuhan-lab-denies-gain-of-function/   ) wouldn't come out....if you think the funding wasn't used for gain of function....well I've got a bridge to sell you. Like everything in life...follow the money...see where it goes and see who is linked to CHINA and well you can imagine the narrative they will try to sell you.

 

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H10N3

So far not a problem, but...

“This is our biggest fear,” said Richt, who also directs the Center of Excellence for Emerging and Zoonotic Animal Diseases for the Department of Homeland Security. “If they were to transmit human to human, then we would be at a worse situation than COVID-19 in terms of case fatality rates.”

I hope we never live through anything like this or worse again. 

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On 5/25/2021 at 4:14 PM, FKIM01 said:

Good question, but I think that was just as political as another portion of the population refusing the vaccine.  From day one, the blame for this pandemic should have been 100% on the Chinese.  I have some pretty strong opinions about why so many refused to put the blame where it belonged.

How on earth can you otherwise reconcile a government prohibiting travel between provinces but allowing travel internationally?  Make no mistake here...(1) The Chinese were deliberately testing gain of function in Wuhan, (2) This virus (probably unintentionally) escaped the lab in the fall of 2019 when several lab workers got sick and (3) once Chinese officials realized the horse was out of the barn, they deliberately made travel policies that (a) reduced the spread inside of China and (b) increased the spread outside of China.

...and with that evil empire, you can also bet they are working on viruses that the Chinese themselves are resistant or even immune to, but would be disastrous for other global populations.  Rest assured that if they can figure that out, they will do it.  The Chinese government is not the only evil empire on the globe, but I'd venture they are the most technologically advanced.  What we witnessed the past 18 months is a trial run at biological warfare.  May have not started out that way, but I guarantee once it was loose, the Chinese government decided to see how it might work out.

You won't convince me that didn't happen.

They also were supplying the world with PPE's. They created a problem that they then sold products to protect people from. They are also leading the way with AI in facial recognition and have openly stated their intent to be technologically superior by the end of the decade. Anyone not concerned about the Chinese is simply burying their head in the sand.

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Fauci looking pretty bad after his emails being revealed. He knew last Jan the virus was engineered. He also knew facemasks didn't help yet continued to lie to America about that.  He is being exposed. What else did he lie about? I hope he gets investigated and prosecuted, if necessary. Sickening that he was putting his personal interests / beliefs ahead of the American public.

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3 hours ago, Reacher said:

Fauci looking pretty bad after his emails being revealed. He knew last Jan the virus was engineered. He also knew facemasks didn't help yet continued to lie to America about that.  He is being exposed. What else did he lie about? I hope he gets investigated and prosecuted, if necessary. Sickening that he was putting his personal interests / beliefs ahead of the American public.

Where did he say he knew that the virus was engineered? link?

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7 hours ago, Reacher said:

Fauci looking pretty bad after his emails being revealed. He knew last Jan the virus was engineered. He also knew facemasks didn't help yet continued to lie to America about that.  He is being exposed. What else did he lie about? I hope he gets investigated and prosecuted, if necessary. Sickening that he was putting his personal interests / beliefs ahead of the American public.

Sorry, but WTF? COVID-19 is a once in a generation pandemic that a specialist in infectious diseases was reacting to in real time. Can you point toward a particular email communication that warrants prosecution? Stop buying into this hype. It's just an email dump requested through FOIA, not a leak. Jesus, get a grip. 

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3 hours ago, mrflynn03 said:

Link to released emails

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561-leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails

He definitely knew about the likelihood but seems to have dismissed it. 

I don’t have time to look through 3,000 emails. Haha. Did the quote get pulled by any news outlet that he thought the virus was engineered, as in purposely manipulated, by the Chinese? Not that it slipped out and they covered it up...that it was engineered. 

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17 hours ago, BEKA said:

Sorry, but WTF? COVID-19 is a once in a generation pandemic that a specialist in infectious diseases was reacting to in real time. Can you point toward a particular email communication that warrants prosecution? Stop buying into this hype. It's just an email dump requested through FOIA, not a leak. Jesus, get a grip. 

Have to agree here. He seems to have become the whipping boy for some. 

Whether he's right or wrong, Fauci still maintains that he thinks the most logical reason is that the virus jumped from animals to humans, but he also has not ruled out that it slipped out of the Wuhan lab. That is his opinion. If you think that it most likely slipped out of the lab then that is your opinion. You can't say something is definitively true until you have evidence that definitively supports your conclusion. He has supported an investigation into COVID's origins from the beginning to find out the answer to this question.

And nailing his balls to the wall about masks is equally puzzling. We are taking a statement from an email last February, when we had little data about the virus. This includes the, at the time, unknown fact that asymptomatic people could spread the virus. He gave advice, which he thought was right at the time. The gathering of future data later proved that to be wrong. When people are given more data that alters their claims, then their conclusions should adapt. 

For the last year and a half the dude has been bombarded with questions (from the public, media, congress, etc) that he doesn't have a definitive answer for. He can only give suggestions and opinions based on his interpretation of the data....data which is still evolving.

This all warrants an investigation? 

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3 hours ago, tdhoosier said:

Have to agree here. He seems to have become the whipping boy for some. 

Whether he's right or wrong, Fauci still maintains that he thinks the most logical reason is that the virus jumped from animals to humans, but he also has not ruled out that it slipped out of the Wuhan lab. That is his opinion. If you think that it most likely slipped out of the lab then that is your opinion. You can't say something is definitively true until you have evidence that definitively supports your conclusion. He has supported an investigation into COVID's origins from the beginning to find out the answer to this question.

And nailing his balls to the wall about masks is equally puzzling. We are taking a statement from an email last February, when we had little data about the virus. This includes the, at the time, unknown fact that asymptomatic people could spread the virus. He gave advice, which he thought was right at the time. The gathering of future data later proved that to be wrong. When people are given more data that alters their claims, then their conclusions should adapt. 

For the last year and a half the dude has been bombarded with questions (from the public, media, congress, etc) that he doesn't have a definitive answer for. He can only give suggestions and opinions based on his interpretation of the data....data which is still evolving.

This all warrants an investigation? 

I'm sorry, but you are in the dark here. Read through a sampling of his emails. They are incriminating. He received an email in Jan 2020 explaining how Covid was (likely) engineered. He knew this as he was funding the research through the NIH. 

The reason I brought up the masks, among any number of other areas that I could have, was that scientists from all over, including Fauci himself, knew non N95 masks were ineffective against a virus spread as an aerosol that would penetrate these masks. I brought this up last summer and was criticized for it. He knew masks were ineffective but then went on for months about how they were necessary. Even, at one point, saying multiple masks should be worn. Why?

Now that Fauci knows his emails are out, he "adapts" his thinking that the virus may have originated in the Wuhan lab he helped fund. My how convenient. 

A national leader purposely lying, obfuscating and misrepresenting deserves to be investigated. We spend a year investigating a plane crash that kills 1 person, why wouldn't we investigate this now given all that is known?

He wasn't just giving his opinion. The evidence now clearly shows, he knew, and tried to hide, the truth.

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I just don't agree with many of the assertions you make about those emails, Reacher.  Lots of words like purposeful, clear, etc that I wouldn't attribute to the FOIA'ed materials.  When we don't agree on the baseline set of facts, it's obvious why we will come to wildly different conclusions about motive/merit of jail time (?!?!)/etc.

Of the popular American public figures from the last few years who might deserve jail time, Fauci is way, way down my list.

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22 minutes ago, Reacher said:

I'm sorry, but you are in the dark here. Read through a sampling of his emails. They are incriminating. He received an email in Jan 2020 explaining how Covid was (likely) engineered. He knew this as he was funding the research through the NIH. 

The reason I brought up the masks, among any number of other areas that I could have, was that scientists from all over, including Fauci himself, knew non N95 masks were ineffective against a virus spread as an aerosol that would penetrate these masks. I brought this up last summer and was criticized for it. He knew masks were ineffective but then went on for months about how they were necessary. Even, at one point, saying multiple masks should be worn. Why?

Now that Fauci knows his emails are out, he "adapts" his thinking that the virus may have originated in the Wuhan lab he helped fund. My how convenient. 

A national leader purposely lying, obfuscating and misrepresenting deserves to be investigated. We spend a year investigating a plane crash that kills 1 person, why wouldn't we investigate this now given all that is known?

He wasn't just giving his opinion. The evidence now clearly shows, he knew, and tried to hide, the truth.

I have read through the ones being pulled by various media outlets (even the ‘anti-fauci’ outlets) and don’t see anything incriminating or to suggest that he’s purposely lying. If you are referencing specific emails, can you tell me which ones? After coming up empty on Google I asked about the ‘engineering claim’ and haven’t been given the pull quote? 

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I'll reserve judgment for now, but yeah...I'm confident Fauci lied more than once.  He himself even referenced telling a "noble lie".  When the dust settles and the pundits and politicians have all played out, we'll see where he stands.  I do think he's a long way from my original take that he is an honest, dispassionate health professional and that's disappointing for his position.  I'm willing to let more facts come in before drawing final conclusions though.

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47 minutes ago, HoosierFaithful said:

I just don't agree with many of the assertions you make about those emails, Reacher.  Lots of words like purposeful, clear, etc that I wouldn't attribute to the FOIA'ed materials.  When we don't agree on the baseline set of facts, it's obvious why we will come to wildly different conclusions about motive/merit of jail time (?!?!)/etc.

Of the popular American public figures from the last few years who might deserve jail time, Fauci is way, way down my list.

I never said anything about jail time. Let him be investigated and see where it goes...

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45 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

I have read through the ones being pulled by various media outlets (even the ‘anti-fauci’ outlets) and don’t see anything incriminating or to suggest that he’s purposely lying. If you are referencing specific emails, can you tell me which ones? After coming up empty on Google I asked about the ‘engineering claim’ and haven’t been given the pull quote? 

Kristian Anderson emailed Fauci on Fri Jan 31 2020 at 10:32pm and told him the virus "looked engineered". 

WHO official Peter Daszak admitted to manipulation of the virus, on video, prior to the epidemic. On 4/18/2020 Daszak thanked Fauci for insisting the COVID-19 virus was naturally occurring- when they both knew that was lie- days after Foxnews was reporting on the link to Wuhan. Why the need for damage control?

There are now 100+ studies showing that HCQ is effective, when used early, to treat and even prevent COVID. Other countries have used it successfully. Why was it banned in the US? Why do we not have an agreed treatment plan for the elderly with COVID to assist in their recovery? Many Drs have successfully treated their patients with COVID but their voices were suppressed? Why?

I have seen the emails and the studies. I personally believe the actions Fauci took caused untold deaths. Believe what you want. Evidence is coming out and there will be more to come. I'm content to wait for the truth. So far, my waiting is appearing to pay off. 

 

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