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44 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Woodson has a shelf life no matter what.  We knew that when he was hired.  I think missing the tournament this year would be a bad year.  Even with the deficiencies on this team, we gave away several games we should have won.

You have to roll with what you got.  I was excited to get back into this year and now I am sinking back into the apathy.  That doesn't mean calling for Woodson's head at this point, it just means not really fully engaging.  I long ago gave up scheduling around the games.  Then I started to DVR and only watch wins.  Then I slowly moved to DVR and they just sat there unwatched no matter what because the games were frankly boring.  I will probably be reverting back to that until I see a reason to be excited again.  And frankly, "so and so is coming, help is on the way..." does not excite me anymore.  We talk these guys up every summer and it is just a big disappointment when it matters.  

Think of the things we discussed this summer that were supposedly being worked on that would make us better.  I can't really think of one thing that needed work that has consistently gotten better.  Not one.  And not one of the new guys that was getting hyped has proven to be that much of a difference maker.

IU basketball is nothing but a hype machine anymore.  All style and no substance.  We got the social media game down pat.  Gameday experience is there.  And for the majority of the past 20 years that has all been lipstick on a pig.  I would say run some guys off, but you are just going to end up with another group of castaways. 

We are Iowa now with the misfortune of having the older portion of our fanbase that knows what it is like to be Duke and Kentucky.  Nobody is ever happy when you go from filet mignon to hamburger and hot dogs.

We'd be lucky to be as good as Iowa at this point.  I think they are going to their 3rd straight tourney.  When did we last go to the tourney 3 years in a row?  I'm too depressed to look.  

9 minutes ago, Cbp4IU said:

No doubt the only decent transfer is Biefeldt. But I rather take a few grad transfer then keeping some of these guys.

Max was a nice role player... but that is basically all you'll ever get from the transfer world.  That and guys with serious personality defects.  

It's not the answer.  The answer was using this season to show things were progressing...a tourney bid at the minimum.  Get some recruiting momentum. Instead it's been a team with plenty of seasoned players and experience embarrassing themselves again.  

2 minutes ago, Cbp4IU said:

I think the frustrating part about all of this is we know this was the chance to make the tourney. Now with potential of no Race and TJD next year it could get worse. Not saying it will but it could. Do you let your freshmen have big minutes right away next year or do you try to bring in another wave of transfers that may or may not work. 

Transfers have never been a road to winning in P5 BB. I understand how we are now operating in a different rule era... but beyond filling pehaps a single missing piece here or there... you aren't building a winning program on backs of transfers.  We have 3 in our starting lineup.... we really want to keep trying this over and over? 

Who was the last good transfer that played at IU? 

10 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

Lots to unpack in this one…

1. We have a lack of talent at the guard and wing. It kills us. 

2. Our execution the last five minutes was atrocious. So, so many head scratching plays  

3. The officiating was atrocious. I could point out the foul discrepancy or the free throw discrepancy, but the two that killed us where the non-reviewable out of bounds call that wasn’t even conclusive (we never got a clear shot of the ball in bounds even though it probably was) and the continuation where Davis took four steps.

4. Tyra Buss has terrible taste in men. 

1) very true.....and has been true for a number of years. 

2) not surprising.  We are an interior oriented team.... but our bigs aren't physically dominant enough to take over in crunch time.  And going back to #1.... every team in conference knows how to defend us.... force the backcourt to make plays. 

3 and 4) not relevant to why we still suck.  

Ken was a great guy!  This was the very first IU forum I was ever on.... back when it was Scout (I think? )

Anyway...Ken and I had great conversations, and he would often reach out over PM.  Hearing of his passing was a gut punch. He'd be happy to know this forum is still kicking in his honor.