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Some freezing cold TJD takes in here. 

….so about that meet-up at the Peegs golf tournament

What positive aspect of the program did Fife contribute to or was responsible for? We never heard of games where he had the “scout” and did a great job. No recruiting wins and even worse, no momentum on the recruiting trail. Did he work directly with 1-2 players like a JG and focus on player development? 

What exactly are we losing besides a nostalgic tie to better days?

2 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Others, including Dakich, have said that Rabjohns does what IU administration wants.  He earns a living by having access to information from IU.

Yeah but this is the problem with assuming anything Dakich said is the full truth. He earns a living by starting shit about IU all the time. So the same skepticism you have re: Peegs applies to DD. 

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

This has gotten out of hand for something that was pretty simple. 

Rabby is an easy target and I think that makes it easier to dismiss what he said outright.

What I don’t see is folks trying to explain away all the other IU insiders like ITH, AC, that film guy, etc. saying almost the exact same thing as Rabby. 

The funniest part about all of this is that I’m not sure we would’ve parted ways if Fife was tied to any commits or critical recruiting processes

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

8.  Dakich was right in the Indiana way.  We dispose of people and character assassinate them on the way out.

Dakich complaining about our fan base doing this

1 minute ago, mrflynn03 said:

This is still going on. I think we all need something to do. Let's plan an HSN pizza party at mother bears. 

There’s a PEEGs golf outing coming up where we can meet up!

Just remember - there’s an assistant coach thread from a year ago where some of the same folks were wringing their hands about Coach Ya and his “character”.

A year and some big recruiting successes later? He’s indispensable. 

The lesson? Results matter. 

1 minute ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Why can't you answer the question?  

Seriously? Well I’m old enough to remember that Fife was closer to a glorified Aaron Craft than to an all-time program legend. 

1 minute ago, BobSaccamanno said:

How old are you?  Just curious.

Just curious. Why?

1 minute ago, 13th&Jackson said:

I expect Matta to leave soon. 

Have you seen him walk lately? It might take him a year to walk out the door 

…so I guess I shouldn’t have posted that Rabby screenshot

The only blowback has been on niche online forums and on a radio show hosted by an also fired former IU coach. 

If Fife is as big of a loss as many claim he is and/or if the stuff Rabby said was bogus, I would expect to see Fife on the bench of an upper echelon Power 5 team in no time. 

4 minutes ago, IU_Realist said:

Usually these things are more in the middle when it is made so public. IU is trying to validate firing one of their own and doing a very poor job of it.  

I don’t think IU really cares to validate it. It’s Dane Fife. Outside of a small group of crazies like us, it doesn’t resonate. 

I still think that most people probably don’t want to believe what has been posted and confirmed by numerous insiders because frankly, it sucks. That doesn’t mean it isn’t true. 

Every 3rd party IU media outlet (ITH, R&R, etc.) has all either confirmed or strongly hinted at the accuracy of what was posted by Rabjohns. Is it really a “hatchet job” if it’s the truth? 

Just a thought..what if what Rabjohns posted was a sanitized version of events? 

35 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I think Fife didn’t mean to be insubordinating. I think he was making a different point and he’d apologize for handling it poorly.  But I believe he’d say it was a mistake and not willful insubordination.  Maybe I’m wrong but that’s my interpretation.

In Rabbys interview he said he warned Fife not to go on Twitter with that and later Fife called him to say “you’re right, I got reprimanded.”   I took that to mean Fife was surprised.  So that’s why I think it was more a mistake.  

I believe Fife’s point is, sure make your NIL money.  But when it’s serious time, let’s get down to it for the team.  That’s what it’s really about.  He wants it both ways.  Fife knows NIL is critical for recruiting.  

I really don’t think he had bad intent.  

I truly want to hear his side of the story.  

 

I think this just shows that (1) He seems to disregard or ignore any external guidance or advice and (2) he consistently acted in a way that was very disconnected from the realities of the CBB landscape in 2022…and either he fundamentally couldn’t grasp this or he had a blatant disregard for it.

He knew that NIL is an advantaged recruiting area for IU and he still chose to undermine it. Whose interests was he serving in doing so? Because it wasn’t IUBB. 

Either way, he doesn’t come across as having a ton of self-awareness or even discipline for that matter.  
 

I love Fife and I’m forever appreciative of his time as a player. But I think folks are treating him with kid gloves right now. We’ve seen what happens when our assistants don’t recruit and perform. We should be ecstatic that we’re proactively addressing this for once. 

Just now, FKIM01 said:

Thanks for sharing.  Interesting that Rabjohns would be that candid, but nevertheless, some interesting insight, assuming it's at least mostly correct.

Yeah he rarely is this direct. Which leads me to believe it’s mostly true 

Just now, BobSaccamanno said:

I was giving an example and not a hard line.  But the point stands.  Win, and it doesn't matter.  Develop middling results as we have seen for five years, and the alumni will get restless.  And the alumni always win.  Ask Davis, Crean, and Archie how it goes when you lose the alumni.  And make no mistake, the alumni had it right in each instance.  

They always have been and always will. Not sure if you’re suggesting that these events will make that worse.

2 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Ultimately he has to win and it won't matter what any of us say.  But, if you don't win, stuff can get thrown back at you to create a narrative that you're ill-equipped.  This isn't fatal.  But Imagine Ya is leaving as some have said.  Then imagine next year or the year after, he starts making other changes.  If he isn't winning over 25 games a year and going deep in the tourney, he will be in a pressure cooker.  Dane Fife is incredibly popular.  There is no way in h-e-double hockey sticks that I am the only one on this.  

Whatever.  Recruit and win.  And don't embarrass us.  Go 26-8 and get to the elite 8 next year and he gets a pass for this.  Go 20-13 with a first round exit and another assistant departs next year, and that vice grip around his neck tightens another notch.

Fife coached in a prominent role at MSU for a top coach for a decade with substantial recruiting and on-court successes.  He is not chopped liver.

He “only gets a pass” for this if he goes 26-8 and makes the Elite 8? It’s Dane Fife, not John Wooden. He was reprimanded by the AD for public comments he made and undermined CMW on several occasions. This thread reiterates all these instances.

What a game. So happy for Phin…and I hope those negative IU fans recognize how huge X was

Maaaan…We’ve come so far from this

My biggest takeaway:

MIN started the 2nd half on a 18-7 run and took the lead…and we responded with a 27-13 run of our own. I think it shows that our team is maturing & learning how to handle adversity

2 minutes ago, loviubb said:

Maybe he should not of come to IU! HE IS COMING OFF an injury But you do KNOW MORE ON PLAYER VALUE THAN CMW?

 

You good?

Just now, Hoosier51 said:

Nice move by Durr, just missed the shot

Million dollar move, 10 cent finish

That And-1 sequence was great. KL directing off-ball traffic, Durr’s pass, JG’s finish..