FKIM01 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I believe IU will still pay for his tuition even if they would take his scholarship. Something they implemented about 4 years ago or so. Even if you leave you can come back and they will honor it. Only if the player is no longer on a team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said: I believe IU will still pay for his tuition even if they would take his scholarship. Something they implemented about 4 years ago or so. Even if you leave you can come back and they will honor it. Yeah, but he can't play of they do that. I was just thinking of getting creative with NIL. Like maybe you have a guy or two who could develop into something but you don't want to use a scholarship on them. Just set them up with an NIL deal that is enough money to cover tuition, room, and board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 7 hours ago, IUCrazy2 said: Fill the spot and if Trayce cannot get drafted where he wants, give hime Leal's scholarship and then find Leal a NIL deal that covers tuition and living expenses. Bada bing, bada boom. (I wonder what the rules are on that, you could easily have 15 players all having their school paid for even if you only have 13 scholarships.) I would never be a fan of that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted April 10, 2022 Report Share Posted April 10, 2022 54 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I would never be a fan of that. Because of taking Leal's scholarship or just the idea of using NIL to get extra players in general? To me, if school is getting paid either way, then enh...does it really matter if you are "scholarship" or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: Because of taking Leal's scholarship or just the idea of using NIL to get extra players in general? To me, if school is getting paid either way, then enh...does it really matter if you are "scholarship" or not? So why doesn’t Trayce use his NIL money to pay for school in this scenario? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: So why doesn’t Trayce use his NIL money to pay for school in this scenario? Could do that too... I will leave it at that. Edited April 11, 2022 by IUCrazy2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said: Because of taking Leal's scholarship or just the idea of using NIL to get extra players in general? To me, if school is getting paid either way, then enh...does it really matter if you are "scholarship" or not? I know a lot of people feel differently, and that's okay. But, I'm just not a fan of pulling a scholarship from a player that rides the bench unless that player does something from an academic or character standpoint that warrants it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: I know a lot of people feel differently, and that's okay. But, I'm just not a fan of pulling a scholarship from a player that rides the bench unless that player does something from an academic or character standpoint that warrants it. 10000% Especially a guy like Leal who grew up a Hoosier, is by all accounts a good student, kid, and teammate, and when he does get to play he plays his butt off. I obviously hope Leal can contribute more as he gets older, but if he never scores another point for IU I'll take a kid like that on the team every single year. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUCrazy2 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 10 hours ago, 5fouls said: I know a lot of people feel differently, and that's okay. But, I'm just not a fan of pulling a scholarship from a player that rides the bench unless that player does something from an academic or character standpoint that warrants it. Normally, I would not be either. My preference would be that you fill up your 13 scholarships and then you get a guy or two who would normally be considered a project and use NIL to act like a scholarship for them. Take that Sean East kid who was on Romeo's HS team. He is now the JC player of the year and has teams like Kentucky looking at him (not sure how serious...but at least interested enough to take the time to look). Or the Sparks kid from Ball State. Guys where you think, there may be something there but not enough for me to lock down with a scholarship. So instead you pay them to work for a charity and they end up getting that money anyway. The case I mentioned would be a special one year deal if you filled the rest of the scholarships and Trayce found no where else to go. I know it feels kind of cut throat. Not the way I wanted things to go. That being said, the players asked for this environment. There is going to be an expectation of a return on the money they are getting paid now just like any other athlete on a team that pays them to be there. On a related note, if Race and Trayce both end up moving on, whomever announced that NIL deal with them before knowing they were sticking around wasted money that would have been available for a new recruit or someone already on the team. I know you "can't tie the money to being on the team", but come on Indiana folks...wise up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledies22 Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said: Normally, I would not be either. My preference would be that you fill up your 13 scholarships and then you get a guy or two who would normally be considered a project and use NIL to act like a scholarship for them. Take that Sean East kid who was on Romeo's HS team. He is now the JC player of the year and has teams like Kentucky looking at him (not sure how serious...but at least interested enough to take the time to look). Or the Sparks kid from Ball State. Guys where you think, there may be something there but not enough for me to lock down with a scholarship. So instead you pay them to work for a charity and they end up getting that money anyway. The case I mentioned would be a special one year deal if you filled the rest of the scholarships and Trayce found no where else to go. I know it feels kind of cut throat. Not the way I wanted things to go. That being said, the players asked for this environment. There is going to be an expectation of a return on the money they are getting paid now just like any other athlete on a team that pays them to be there. On a related note, if Race and Trayce both end up moving on, whomever announced that NIL deal with them before knowing they were sticking around wasted money that would have been available for a new recruit or someone already on the team. I know you "can't tie the money to being on the team", but come on Indiana folks...wise up. If nothing else, is shows recruits what they can make in NIL at IU, which would be enticing. I wont question how other people spend their own money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 Thought I would this here: Max Christie? https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-NBA-Draft-decisions-Oscar-Thshiebwe-Armando-Bacot-Max-Christie--185906546/#185906546_1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13th&Jackson Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 2 hours ago, rico said: Thought I would this here: Max Christie? https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-NBA-Draft-decisions-Oscar-Thshiebwe-Armando-Bacot-Max-Christie--185906546/#185906546_1 It shows how much the NBA has changed that Thshiebwe is projected mid to late second round. Dude averaged 17 pts and 15 boards per game. Dale Davis had zero offensive game coming out of college (although he averaged 17 pts on dunks and putbacks), but averaged 12 boards. He was the 13th pick and played 17 seasons in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier51 Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: It shows how much the NBA has changed that Thshiebwe is projected mid to late second round. Dude averaged 17 pts and 15 boards per game. Dale Davis had zero offensive game coming out of college (although he averaged 17 pts on dunks and putbacks), but averaged 12 boards. He was the 13th pick and played 17 seasons in the league. Yeah it is crazy how the NBA is anymore. Not to long ago Thshiebwe, Kofi, Trayce and probably even Hunter would all have been top 10 picks but now might never get drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 On 4/9/2022 at 7:22 PM, NotIThatLives said: You pay as much attention to college basketball as anyone on this board. Good players will still be hitting the portal for months to come. There may even be a guy or two out there thinking, ok, if Trayce stays in the draft, I'm reaching out to IU. Well....they have to be in the portal by May 1 if they want to be immediately eligible next year. So really only a couple of weeks to get in. And with the draft withdrawal deadline not until June 13, could be a few tough situations out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, BruceDouglas said: Well....they have to be in the portal by May 1 if they want to be immediately eligible next year. So really only a couple of weeks to get in. And with the draft withdrawal deadline not until June 13, could be a few tough situations out there. So I couldn't figure out, when do they have to be on a roster? By start of school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceDouglas Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: So I couldn't figure out, when do they have to be on a roster? By start of school? Yep, just have to be in the portal by May 1, can pick the destination any time. I would think each schools has a different deadline for being enrolled officially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 Underclassmen on the NBA Draft Big Board Rank Player School Class Pos. Status 1 Jaden Ivey Purdue Soph SG Declared 2 Chet Holmgren Gonzaga Fr C 3 Paolo Banchero Duke Fr PF 4 Jabari Smith Auburn Fr PF Declared 5 TyTy Washington Jr. Kentucky Fr PG Declared 6 AJ Griffin Duke Fr SF 8 Keegan Murray Iowa Soph PF Declared 9 Johnny Davis Wisconsin Soph SF Declared 10 Bennedict Mathurin Arizona Soph SG Declared 11 Jalen Duren Memphis Fr C 12 Jeremy Sochan Baylor Fr PF Declared 13 Mark Williams Duke Soph C 14 Tari Eason LSU Soph PF Declared 16 Kendall Brown Baylor Fr SF Declared 18 Malaki Branham Ohio St. Fr SF Testing waters 20 Blake Wesley Notre Dame Fr SG Declared 21 Ryan Rollins Toledo Soph SG 22 Max Christie Michigan St. Fr SG Testing waters 23 Justin Lewis Marquette Fr PF Testing waters 25 Walker Kessler Auburn Soph C Declared 27 Wendell Moore Jr. Duke Jr SF 28 E.J. Liddell Ohio St. Jr PF Declared 29 JD Davison Alabama Fr PG Declared 30 Bryce McGowens Nebraska Fr SF Declared 31 Kennedy Chandler Tennessee Fr PG Declared 32 Julian Strawther Gonzaga Soph SF 33 Patrick Baldwin Jr. Milwaukee Fr PF 35 Trevor Keels Duke Fr SG 36 Caleb Houstan Michigan Fr SF 37 Jaime Jaquez Jr. UCLA Jr SF 38 Harrison Ingram Stanford Fr SF Testing waters 39 Christian Koloko Arizona Jr C 40 Jaylin Williams Arkansas Soph PF Testing waters 41 Christian Braun Kansas Jr SG 42 Caleb Love N. Carolina Soph PG 43 Jake LaRavia Wake Forest Jr PF 44 Johnny Juzang UCLA Jr SG 45 Iverson Molinar Miss. State Jr PG Testing waters 46 Jabari Walker Colorado Soph SF Testing waters 48 Julian Champagnie St. John's Jr PF Declared 49 Josh Minott Memphis Fr PF Testing waters 50 Keon Ellis Alabama Sr SF 52 Jordan Hall St. Joseph's Soph SF 53 Dalen Terry Arizona Soph SF 56 Isaiah Mobley USC Jr PF 57 Kevin McCullar Texas Tech Jr SF 59 Allen Flanigan Auburn Jr SF 60 Orlando Robinson Fresno St. Jr C Check out Boone's entire NBA Draft Big Board for his top 60 NBA Draft prospects Other early entrants Justyn Mutts, Virginia Tech Jordan Walker, UAB Ron Harper Jr., Rutgers Alondes Williams, Wake Forest Jake Laravia, Wake Forest Johni Broome, Morehead State Daivien Williamson, Wake Forest James Akinjo, Baylor Jaylin Williams, Arkansas Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana Drew Timme, Gonzaga Teddy Allen, New Mexico State Adonis Arms, Texas Tech Cole Swider, Syracuse Izaiah Brockington, Iowa State Kevin McCullar, Texas Tech Keion Brooks, Kentucky Au'Diese Toney, Arkansas Gabe Brown, Michigan State David Roddy, Colorado State Lester Quinones, Memphis Vince Williams, VCU Kyle Foster, Howard Marcus Bingham Jr., Michigan State Trevion Williams, Purdue Marcus Sasser, Houston Justin Minaya, Providence Anthony Duruji, Florida Jaden Shackelford, Alabama Isiaih Mobley, Missouri State Isaiah Mobley, USC Osun Osunniyi, St. Bonaventure Courtney Ramey, Texas Taze Moore, Houston Tyrese Martin, UConn Justin Bean, Utah State Peter Kiss, Bryant Tyler Burton, Richmond Kenneth Lofton, Louisiana Tech Nijel Pack, Kansas State Jordan Hall, Saint Joseph's Nate Roberts, Washington Jaden Jones, Rutgers Ryan Terell, Yeshiva University Players have until April 24th to add their names to this list and until June 13th to return to school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underclassmen on the NBA Draft Big Board Rank Player School Class Pos. Status 1 Jaden Ivey Purdue Soph SG Declared 2 Chet Holmgren Gonzaga Fr C 3 Paolo Banchero Duke Fr PF 4 Jabari Smith Auburn Fr PF Declared 5 TyTy Washington Jr. Kentucky Fr PG Declared 6 AJ Griffin Duke Fr SF 8 Keegan Murray Iowa Soph PF Declared 9 Johnny Davis Wisconsin Soph SF Declared 10 Bennedict Mathurin Arizona Soph SG Declared 11 Jalen Duren Memphis Fr C 12 Jeremy Sochan Baylor Fr PF Declared 13 Mark Williams Duke Soph C 14 Tari Eason LSU Soph PF Declared 16 Kendall Brown Baylor Fr SF Declared 18 Malaki Branham Ohio St. Fr SF Testing waters 20 Blake Wesley Notre Dame Fr SG Declared 21 Ryan Rollins Toledo Soph SG 22 Max Christie Michigan St. Fr SG Testing waters 23 Justin Lewis Marquette Fr PF Testing waters 25 Walker Kessler Auburn Soph C Declared 27 Wendell Moore Jr. Duke Jr SF 28 E.J. Liddell Ohio St. Jr PF Declared 29 JD Davison Alabama Fr PG Declared 30 Bryce McGowens Nebraska Fr SF Declared 31 Kennedy Chandler Tennessee Fr PG Declared 32 Julian Strawther Gonzaga Soph SF 33 Patrick Baldwin Jr. Milwaukee Fr PF 35 Trevor Keels Duke Fr SG 36 Caleb Houstan Michigan Fr SF 37 Jaime Jaquez Jr. UCLA Jr SF 38 Harrison Ingram Stanford Fr SF Testing waters 39 Christian Koloko Arizona Jr C 40 Jaylin Williams Arkansas Soph PF Testing waters 41 Christian Braun Kansas Jr SG 42 Caleb Love N. Carolina Soph PG 43 Jake LaRavia Wake Forest Jr PF 44 Johnny Juzang UCLA Jr SG 45 Iverson Molinar Miss. State Jr PG Testing waters 46 Jabari Walker Colorado Soph SF Testing waters 48 Julian Champagnie St. John's Jr PF Declared 49 Josh Minott Memphis Fr PF Testing waters 50 Keon Ellis Alabama Sr SF 52 Jordan Hall St. Joseph's Soph SF 53 Dalen Terry Arizona Soph SF 56 Isaiah Mobley USC Jr PF 57 Kevin McCullar Texas Tech Jr SF 59 Allen Flanigan Auburn Jr SF 60 Orlando Robinson Fresno St. Jr C Check out Boone's entire NBA Draft Big Board for his top 60 NBA Draft prospects Other early entrants Justyn Mutts, Virginia Tech Jordan Walker, UAB Ron Harper Jr., Rutgers Alondes Williams, Wake Forest Jake Laravia, Wake Forest Johni Broome, Morehead State Daivien Williamson, Wake Forest James Akinjo, Baylor Jaylin Williams, Arkansas Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana Drew Timme, Gonzaga Teddy Allen, New Mexico State Adonis Arms, Texas Tech Cole Swider, Syracuse Izaiah Brockington, Iowa State Kevin McCullar, Texas Tech Keion Brooks, Kentucky Au'Diese Toney, Arkansas Gabe Brown, Michigan State David Roddy, Colorado State Lester Quinones, Memphis Vince Williams, VCU Kyle Foster, Howard Marcus Bingham Jr., Michigan State Trevion Williams, Purdue Marcus Sasser, Houston Justin Minaya, Providence Anthony Duruji, Florida Jaden Shackelford, Alabama Isiaih Mobley, Missouri State Isaiah Mobley, USC Osun Osunniyi, St. Bonaventure Courtney Ramey, Texas Taze Moore, Houston Tyrese Martin, UConn Justin Bean, Utah State Peter Kiss, Bryant Tyler Burton, Richmond Kenneth Lofton, Louisiana Tech Nijel Pack, Kansas State Jordan Hall, Saint Joseph's Nate Roberts, Washington Jaden Jones, Rutgers Ryan Terell, Yeshiva University
Players have until April 24th to add their names to this list and until June 13th to return to school.
13th&Jackson Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Indykev said: Underclassmen on the NBA Draft Big Board Rank Player School Class Pos. Status 1 Jaden Ivey Purdue Soph SG Declared 2 Chet Holmgren Gonzaga Fr C 3 Paolo Banchero Duke Fr PF 4 Jabari Smith Auburn Fr PF Declared 5 TyTy Washington Jr. Kentucky Fr PG Declared 6 AJ Griffin Duke Fr SF 8 Keegan Murray Iowa Soph PF Declared 9 Johnny Davis Wisconsin Soph SF Declared 10 Bennedict Mathurin Arizona Soph SG Declared 11 Jalen Duren Memphis Fr C 12 Jeremy Sochan Baylor Fr PF Declared 13 Mark Williams Duke Soph C 14 Tari Eason LSU Soph PF Declared 16 Kendall Brown Baylor Fr SF Declared 18 Malaki Branham Ohio St. Fr SF Testing waters 20 Blake Wesley Notre Dame Fr SG Declared 21 Ryan Rollins Toledo Soph SG 22 Max Christie Michigan St. Fr SG Testing waters 23 Justin Lewis Marquette Fr PF Testing waters 25 Walker Kessler Auburn Soph C Declared 27 Wendell Moore Jr. Duke Jr SF 28 E.J. Liddell Ohio St. Jr PF Declared 29 JD Davison Alabama Fr PG Declared 30 Bryce McGowens Nebraska Fr SF Declared 31 Kennedy Chandler Tennessee Fr PG Declared 32 Julian Strawther Gonzaga Soph SF 33 Patrick Baldwin Jr. Milwaukee Fr PF 35 Trevor Keels Duke Fr SG 36 Caleb Houstan Michigan Fr SF 37 Jaime Jaquez Jr. UCLA Jr SF 38 Harrison Ingram Stanford Fr SF Testing waters 39 Christian Koloko Arizona Jr C 40 Jaylin Williams Arkansas Soph PF Testing waters 41 Christian Braun Kansas Jr SG 42 Caleb Love N. Carolina Soph PG 43 Jake LaRavia Wake Forest Jr PF 44 Johnny Juzang UCLA Jr SG 45 Iverson Molinar Miss. State Jr PG Testing waters 46 Jabari Walker Colorado Soph SF Testing waters 48 Julian Champagnie St. John's Jr PF Declared 49 Josh Minott Memphis Fr PF Testing waters 50 Keon Ellis Alabama Sr SF 52 Jordan Hall St. Joseph's Soph SF 53 Dalen Terry Arizona Soph SF 56 Isaiah Mobley USC Jr PF 57 Kevin McCullar Texas Tech Jr SF 59 Allen Flanigan Auburn Jr SF 60 Orlando Robinson Fresno St. Jr C Check out Boone's entire NBA Draft Big Board for his top 60 NBA Draft prospects Other early entrants Justyn Mutts, Virginia Tech Jordan Walker, UAB Ron Harper Jr., Rutgers Alondes Williams, Wake Forest Jake Laravia, Wake Forest Johni Broome, Morehead State Daivien Williamson, Wake Forest James Akinjo, Baylor Jaylin Williams, Arkansas Trayce Jackson-Davis, Indiana Drew Timme, Gonzaga Teddy Allen, New Mexico State Adonis Arms, Texas Tech Cole Swider, Syracuse Izaiah Brockington, Iowa State Kevin McCullar, Texas Tech Keion Brooks, Kentucky Au'Diese Toney, Arkansas Gabe Brown, Michigan State David Roddy, Colorado State Lester Quinones, Memphis Vince Williams, VCU Kyle Foster, Howard Marcus Bingham Jr., Michigan State Trevion Williams, Purdue Marcus Sasser, Houston Justin Minaya, Providence Anthony Duruji, Florida Jaden Shackelford, Alabama Isiaih Mobley, Missouri State Isaiah Mobley, USC Osun Osunniyi, St. Bonaventure Courtney Ramey, Texas Taze Moore, Houston Tyrese Martin, UConn Justin Bean, Utah State Peter Kiss, Bryant Tyler Burton, Richmond Kenneth Lofton, Louisiana Tech Nijel Pack, Kansas State Jordan Hall, Saint Joseph's Nate Roberts, Washington Jaden Jones, Rutgers Ryan Terell, Yeshiva University Players have until April 24th to add their names to this list and until June 13th to return to school. If Jaden Ivey is the top underclassman, this is a really weak draft class 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted April 17, 2022 Report Share Posted April 17, 2022 56 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said: If Jaden Ivey is the top underclassman, this is a really weak draft class A lot of talk about the Pacers taking him. I hope they draft Murray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said: If Jaden Ivey is the top underclassman, this is a really weak draft class Agree. He's no Ja Morant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdue7 Posted April 18, 2022 Report Share Posted April 18, 2022 Doesn’t seem to be very mature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BGleas Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 Just now, 13th&Jackson said: Transferring to the South Carolina Gamecoes Or the St. Peter's Peacocks, since he also likes beating Purdue. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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