SawatchHoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, rico said: Reggie Miller is just fine doing college games. Reggie would be good at any level of basketball announcing. He loves the game with a passion and understands it at a level most of the announcers have never experienced. Also there was this...He knows when a team is going to choke. Edited March 18, 2023 by SawatchHoosier 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, MoyeCowbell said: Gonna zag here... she really is, NGL. I'll agree she's good at the NBA level but at the college level she has work to do. Also she said "over-penetrated" like 80 times last night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, IUFLA said: I think the thing that surprises most teams is the ability of our bigs to take on guards on the perimeter, even though they have to see that on film. Carry would get a switch and start putting on his dribbling display and eventual drive to the hoop, only to find Race or Trayce right with him. The other thing is, I'm not sure other teams realize what a tough defender Miller is... I laughed last night when they tried to make Miller defend in the post lol.. that was NOT advantage Kent St. More coaching genius from @dbmhoosiers boy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: It doesn't make for the best product, that's for sure. Unlike some of you, I don't mind the TNT crew. They are entertaining and there is a reason they've been doing it for as long as they have. But to the bigger point, Kenny, Chuck et al primarily follow the NBA. To shift and suddenly be as intimate with the knowledge and nuance of so many NCAA teams is unrealistic. They have to go on a crash course to catch up with people like Clark Kellogg and Seth Davis. But to your overall point @IU Scott, yes, it takes away from what the colleges are/have done when announcers are unfamiliar with the players/teams. And of course, as fans that follow every dribble, any error is amplified 100x and becomes annoying. Spot on. They’re actually really good when it comes to the NBA, and basketball in general. They just don’t follow college closely so they mess up a large number of details - Chuck can play it off but Kenny is too proud with his basketball knowledge to admit he doesn’t know something as well as he should. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I'll agree she's good at the NBA level but at the college level she has work to do. Also she said "over-penetrated" like 80 times last night. It wasn't her. It was Deb Antonelli. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I'll agree she's good at the NBA level but at the college level she has work to do. Also she said "over-penetrated" like 80 times last night. That wasn’t Doris Burke… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: It wasn't her. It was Deb Antonelli. I respectfully apologize to Doris and slither back to the underworld I came from. Edited March 18, 2023 by SawatchHoosier 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: It doesn't make for the best product, that's for sure. Unlike some of you, I don't mind the TNT crew. They are entertaining and there is a reason they've been doing it for as long as they have. But to the bigger point, Kenny, Chuck et al primarily follow the NBA. To shift and suddenly be as intimate with the knowledge and nuance of so many NCAA teams is unrealistic. They have to go on a crash course to catch up with people like Clark Kellogg and Seth Davis. But to your overall point @IU Scott, yes, it takes away from what the colleges are/have done when announcers are unfamiliar with the players/teams. And of course, as fans that follow every dribble, any error is amplified 100x and becomes annoying. But they know so much more ball and can talk simply. Seth Davis has zero clue about ball, he just talks and knows good players. Kenny Smith might not know the teams, but he knew the EXACT difference immediately between TJD/Edey Indiana/Purdue. We can play multiple ways. Purdue cant. Kenny Smith is better than anybody ESPN has, imo. Not talking announcers of games. Talking studio guys. Edited March 18, 2023 by btownqb 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, KoB2011 said: Spot on. They’re actually really good when it comes to the NBA, and basketball in general. They just don’t follow college closely so they mess up a large number of details - Chuck can play it off but Kenny is too proud with his basketball knowledge to admit he doesn’t know something as well as he should. I don't know if you caught the bit about Chuck admitting to washing his jersey while taking a shower, but it was absolute GOLD. Said he had to do so when he was playing back to back nights, and it was quicker to wash his jersey while wearing it in the shower. So dumb, so hilarious, so Chuck. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, rico said: Reggie Miller is just fine doing college games. He isn't doing games this year, so you are right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: But they know soooooo much more ball and can talk simply. Seth Davis has zeroooooo clue about ball, he just talks and knows good players. Kenny Smith might not know the teams, but he knew the EXACT difference immediately between TJD/Edey Indiana/Purdue. We can play multiple ways. Purdue cant. Kenny Smith is better than anybody ESPN has, imo. Not talking announcers of games. Talking studio guys. Put the crack pipe down. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: I respectfully apologize to Doris and slither back to underworld I came from. We shall feed you porridge once a day. Shame! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I hate having the NBA guys doing the studio or even announcing the games. 15 minutes ago, rico said: Reggie Miller is just fine doing college games. Len Elmore was always really good. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, SawatchHoosier said: But Doris Burke is so good! 🤮 That wasn't Doris Burke last night but no I didn't like the Lady either. She doesn't do men's game all year either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, MoyeCowbell said: We shall feed you porridge once a day. Shame! Please sir, may I have some more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: Len Elmore was always really good. ACC slant to everything, I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawatchHoosier Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: That wasn't Doris Burke last night but no I didn't like the Lady either. She doesn't do men's game all year either. I have confused Doris for Deb Antonelli. For that I have been given 30 HoosierSportNation lashings and must attend 24 hours of banter in the home and garden thread. Edited March 18, 2023 by SawatchHoosier 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, rico said: Put the crack pipe down. Which ESPN studio guy do you like better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Which ESPN studio guy do you like better? The arguments are splintering... Are we discussing NBA v NCAA announcing? or TNT v ESPN announcers? We gotta focus here people, it's Saturday morning ferChristssakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, MoyeCowbell said: The arguments are splintering... Are we discussing NBA v NCAA announcing? or TNT v ESPN announcers? We gotta focus here people, it's Saturday morning ferChristssakes Lemme put my crack pipe down, hold on... Idk. I like TNT guys better than any studio guys around, especially when you add Kellogg to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) What about the women in the studio on espn2? Edited March 18, 2023 by Reacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Lemme put my crack pipe down, hold on... Idk. I like TNT guys better than any studio guys around, especially when you add Kellogg to the mix. Ok. That's basically what I said. I'm merely addressing those who DON'T like them. The TNT studio teams are extremely knowledgable about basketball, yet they are in a "weakened" position because they have to talk about college players and teams that they haven't really been following all year (because they're focused on the NBA). Of course they understand the game and can speak to the strengths/weaknesses, but it's more cursory than intimate. Because of this, the product that is delivered to the fans watching on TV isn't as good as it could be. As a fan, you want the announcers to know every little detail and get it correct every time. If they say "Tamar Banks" or "the power forward" it can be agitating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, MoyeCowbell said: Ok. That's basically what I said. I'm merely addressing those who DON'T like them. The TNT studio teams are extremely knowledgable about basketball, yet they are in a "weakened" position because they have to talk about college players and teams that they haven't really been following all year (because they're focused on the NBA). Of course they understand the game and can speak to the strengths/weaknesses, but it's more cursory than intimate. Because of this, the product that is delivered to the fans watching on TV isn't as good as it could be. As a fan, you want the announcers to know every little detail and get it correct every time. If they say "Tamar Banks" or "the power forward" it can be agitating. I actually kind of prefer it in terms of the studio people. They know the intricacies of the game in terms of X's/O's and breaking the game down, and while they may not know players, coaches and teams as well, I sort of find that refreshing. You don't have to deal with Bilas going on random rants about how oppressed the players are. You don't have to deal with Vitale going on rants about how great Calipari, Coach K, Izzo, Bill Self and those guys are. Again, I'm talking specifically about the studio team, not the game announcers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 This convo made me think of this video. Such a classic. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoyeCowbell Posted March 18, 2023 Report Share Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, BGleas said: I actually kind of prefer it in terms of the studio people. They know the intricacies of the game in terms of X's/O's and breaking the game down, and while they may not know players, coaches and teams as well, I sort of find thst refreshing. You don't have to deal with Bilas going on random rants about how oppressed the players are. You don't have to deal with Vitale going on rants about how great Calipari, Coach K, Bill Self and those guys are. Again, I'm talking specifically about the studio team, not the game announcers. There is a lot of self-aggrandizing and ludicrous pedestal placement, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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