Brass Cannon Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, rico said: Quite a "flip-flop" from your last post here. Not really simply a statement of realities. Long term probably not smart to confirm anybody. And even in the short term probably smarter to confirm somebody different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said: Not really simply a statement of realities. Long term probably not smart to confirm anybody. And even in the short term probably smarter to confirm somebody different Well, you call it for what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, rico said: Well, you call it for what you want. He has lower public support to be confirmed than any successful candidate in my lifetime and is being deceptive about his stance on key issues. Seems short sighted to confirm him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: He has lower public support to be confirmed than any successful candidate in my lifetime and is being deceptive about his stance on key issues. Seems short sighted to confirm him. Ask Hillary what she would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, rico said: Ask Hillary what she would do. What a silly little partisan argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Brass Cannon said: What a silly little partisan argument. Whatever, I know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Cannon Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, rico said: Whatever, I know how it works. Sadly acting childish and putting short term goals over long term goals is exactly how it works. Which is why this country gets closer to a banana republic every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 5, 2018 Report Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Brass Cannon said: Sadly acting childish and putting short term goals over long term goals is exactly how it works. Which is why this country gets closer to a banana republic every day. WTH? You wanna talk social issues? Direct your attention to illegal immigration. It is pretty easy to see what side of the fence you are on. And BTW a pretty spot on Liberal reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 Rico.... The GOP could nominate "JC" himself and they still wouldn't be happy. Brass Cannon seems to forget the last prez telling the republicans "You guys lost, get over it". When people voted in 2016, they knew if Hillary got in, our country was really heading down the socialist path. Plus the biggie, voters knew there was a real possibility that whoever got in, the SCOTUS was really going to be in play. They simply did not want Hillary to have that choice. BTW, I did not get to attend the Trump rally down here last week. But the wife and I did watch it on our local news cast. The Ford Center was filled to over-flowing capacity with over 11,550 in attendance. Plus they had a crowd of over 2,000 watching outside on a big screen. Say what you want, but the guy can bring them in. On a cool side note, Air Force One flew directly over our house. Man that thing is Huuuge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 Left / Right, politics get tiring. Not complaining by any means, after all, I do have the option to not read or respond to these threads. I will keep it short and only relay my experiences. I supported and prayed for my president. In 2000 through now. When I tell people this in the moment I am either alt-right wing nut job or a bleeding heart liberal. Our president regardless of perceived grievances and differences really does need our prayers. Everyone is different, I advise against putting anyone in a categorical box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 10 hours ago, PoHoosier said: Left / Right, politics get tiring. Not complaining by any means, after all, I do have the option to not read or respond to these threads. I will keep it short and only relay my experiences. I supported and prayed for my president. In 2000 through now. When I tell people this in the moment I am either alt-right wing nut job or a bleeding heart liberal. Our president regardless of perceived grievances and differences really does need our prayers. Everyone is different, I advise against putting anyone in a categorical box. You touched on something there that I thought I had brought up before. But, IMO, the forefathers did not envision what a political hot bed the Supreme Court was gonna become. And these "circuses" that come about every so often do get extremely tiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 11:39 AM, KoB2011 said: Fox News has more viewers than any other network and they are certainly supportive of Trump. Sorry to rehash old news but I saw this and figured I'd add some more recent data to the discussion. https://abcnewspr.tumblr.com/post/177768336351/world-news-tonight-with-david-muir-is-americas "ABC News’ “World News Tonight with David Muir” stood as the No. 1 evening newscast in Total Viewers (8.234 million) for the week of August 27, 2018, based on Live + Same Day Data from Nielsen Media Research. “World News Tonight” out delivered “NBC Nightly News” (8.053 million) by 181,000." To recap, ABC + NBC +CBS +CNN + MSNBC + social media (Google, Twitter, Facebook, Yahoo news, etc) + Hollywood dwarf Foxnews. And not everyone in Fox is supportive of Trump. It is truly amazing Trump has the support he does in this environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Reacher said: Sorry to rehash old news but I saw this and figured I'd add some more recent data to the discussion. https://abcnewspr.tumblr.com/post/177768336351/world-news-tonight-with-david-muir-is-americas "ABC News’ “World News Tonight with David Muir” stood as the No. 1 evening newscast in Total Viewers (8.234 million) for the week of August 27, 2018, based on Live + Same Day Data from Nielsen Media Research. “World News Tonight” out delivered “NBC Nightly News” (8.053 million) by 181,000." To recap, ABC + NBC +CBS +CNN + MSNBC + social media (Google, Twitter, Facebook, Yahoo news, etc) + Hollywood dwarf Foxnews. And not everyone in Fox is supportive of Trump. It is truly amazing Trump has the support he does in this environment. Actually what it points out to me is that America doesn't trust the media. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Reacher said: Sorry to rehash old news but I saw this and figured I'd add some more recent data to the discussion. https://abcnewspr.tumblr.com/post/177768336351/world-news-tonight-with-david-muir-is-americas "ABC News’ “World News Tonight with David Muir” stood as the No. 1 evening newscast in Total Viewers (8.234 million) for the week of August 27, 2018, based on Live + Same Day Data from Nielsen Media Research. “World News Tonight” out delivered “NBC Nightly News” (8.053 million) by 181,000." To recap, ABC + NBC +CBS +CNN + MSNBC + social media (Google, Twitter, Facebook, Yahoo news, etc) + Hollywood dwarf Foxnews. And not everyone in Fox is supportive of Trump. It is truly amazing Trump has the support he does in this environment. It really is amazing Reacher. It's plain to see the media despises Trump and all I can say is, I'm thankful for Fox news and Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage and others. But I can tell you Trumps' base is still very much behind him. Attend one of his rallies and you can feel the excitement. The local media was still talking about his trip here days after he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 6, 2018 Report Share Posted September 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Proud2BAHoosier said: It really is amazing Reacher. It's plain to see the media despises Trump and all I can say is, I'm thankful for Fox news and Rush Limbaugh, Mike Savage and others. But I can tell you Trumps' base is still very much behind him. Attend one of his rallies and you can feel the excitement. The local media was still talking about his trip here days after he left. See if you can tune into WOWO. You will like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Just my notes. Supreme Court unfortunately has always been contentious. FDR tried to stack the court with like 6 more justices just to pass all his new deal ideas. I’ll also say that we have a process for removing a justice. If for some crazy reason we beliece Trump was not elected legitimately (not just Russian collusion but he changed peoples votes) then you can impeach the judge and have them removed so no reason to wait. There is a big difference with waiting for hearings in the middle of a presidential election who is the man or women who will be deciding who serves on the court and just a midterm election of those that will confirm the pick. Even if you don’t think that there was no point in holding contentious hearings in which republicans who held a majority of the senate was going to commit political suicide and confirm Obama’s judge so what was the point? Now whether they should have had the hearings that’s a legitimate question but why go along with a circus they would never confirm? They let the people decide and let’s be honest everyone thought Clinton would win but she didn’t. Trump ran the table of the heartland and every swing state and he got to choose. It is also clear Kennedy choose now to be replaced so another factor to consider in who he wanted making the decision to replace him. Anyways regardless what’s goes on in Washington is a mockery of what our founding fathers intended...both sides. It’s pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 Trump is a legitimate president. The electoral college works as intented. There was no collusion. Our enemies have always tried to interfere with our elections. The US gov interferes with other countries elections all the time and worse. What this boils down to, is democrats are butt hurt they lost and wont have an activist supreme court to legislate from the bench when they cant ram unpopular ideas through congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 At the end of the day this boils down to the political partys playing tug-of-war. Why must it be this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, rico said: At the end of the day this boils down to the political partys playing tug-of-war. Why must it be this way? Lack of responsibility playing out. "We didn't win, they must have cheated". I think it's playing out well with a recent commit. Some losers actually think that there is no way they should have lost as they are obviuosly within the rules. No one would have chosen the opposition. This is in regards to both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reacher Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 11 hours ago, dgambill said: Just my notes. Supreme Court unfortunately has always been contentious. FDR tried to stack the court with like 6 more justices just to pass all his new deal ideas. I’ll also say that we have a process for removing a justice. If for some crazy reason we beliece Trump was not elected legitimately (not just Russian collusion but he changed peoples votes) then you can impeach the judge and have them removed so no reason to wait. There is a big difference with waiting for hearings in the middle of a presidential election who is the man or women who will be deciding who serves on the court and just a midterm election of those that will confirm the pick. Even if you don’t think that there was no point in holding contentious hearings in which republicans who held a majority of the senate was going to commit political suicide and confirm Obama’s judge so what was the point? Now whether they should have had the hearings that’s a legitimate question but why go along with a circus they would never confirm? They let the people decide and let’s be honest everyone thought Clinton would win but she didn’t. Trump ran the table of the heartland and every swing state and he got to choose. It is also clear Kennedy choose now to be replaced so another factor to consider in who he wanted making the decision to replace him. Anyways regardless what’s goes on in Washington is a mockery of what our founding fathers intended...both sides. It’s pretty sad. Well said. You brought up some points I have not heard before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Reacher said: Well said. You brought up some points I have not heard before. It's pretty embarrassing how both sides of the aisle act honestly. I am going to try to stay out of most of these topics from now on as I don't want to jeopardize my chances of having great conversations and relationships with the board members on the basketball board based on political or social messages. Besides, it is almost impossible to have a nuanced conversation about such deep topics and really convey your message in such a manner on a message board. Personally I'm pretty disappointed in both parties for what they've turned our govt. into. The fact that someone like Trump got elected tells me how fed up the rest of America is too. I give him credit for this...he is running things just as he said he would and has kept his promises that congress and the courts have allowed him to keep. The economy sure has picked up. His tweeting and pettiness is embarrassing to the office and his long list of scandals with women puts him in company with most of the rest of our politicians but the man seems to wake up with a to do list every day and works hard to accomplish it. It's a lot more than I can say for congress. Washington is a cesspool of corruption...and when someone comes in and tries to clean it up they quickly find out how dirty politics really is. If Trump can keep American's working and keep them out of another expensive war I imagine he will win another term. As for congress...it will be business as usual. I have to admit neither party inspires me to hope our country will be better off giving them control. None of them live up to the ideals and visions that they lay out for themselves. I'll just pray that God helps me vote for the person that will do the most good and then continue praying for those in charge to make wise decisions. I've been praying for that for many years...and while I've had many personal prayers for myself and others answered...it seems to me God is waiting for a lot more people to take up that prayer before he answers it. What I see in my govt today is a far cry of the leadership and wisdom that this great country was founded on. Hopefully the next generation will learn true civics and achieve a great success in living up to the ideals of our constitution and bill of rights. Have a good day folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: Trump is a legitimate president. The electoral college works as intented. There was no collusion. Our enemies have always tried to interfere with our elections. The US gov interferes with other countries elections all the time and worse. What this boils down to, is democrats are butt hurt they lost and wont have an activist supreme court to legislate from the bench when they cant ram unpopular ideas through congress. We have no idea rather or not your first paragraph is true. We know Russia interfered, we know people from Trump's team met with then and didn't report it to the FBI as they were supposed to and as has been done previously. Your second paragraph is a two way street - Kavanaugh is certainly an activist judge with intentions on changing laws that are very popular. I'd be curious to understand what unpopular laws you think Democrats have rammed through with activist judges. A few examples and evidence that those laws were unpopular would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: We have no idea rather or not your first paragraph is true. We know Russia interfered, we know people from Trump's team met with then and didn't report it to the FBI as they were supposed to and as has been done previously. Your second paragraph is a two way street - Kavanaugh is certainly an activist judge with intentions on changing laws that are very popular. I'd be curious to understand what unpopular laws you think Democrats have rammed through with activist judges. A few examples and evidence that those laws were unpopular would be great. Interfered in what way other than twitter bots and facebook ads? Its just hard for me to believe after 2 years of investigations that haven't turned up anything definitive, that there is much to be found. The second paragraph was mostly speculative. Dems are on record with wanting to overturn Heller which protects what I consider to be important and constitutionaly protected. It is a two way street, but from my perspective conservative leaning judges tend to follow the law more narrowly. What I see is america is divided between people who believe in a collective and people who believe in individualism. And I dont want to see laws adjudicated that side with the collective over individuals. I think we could agree the real problem is the legislature no wanting to do their jobs. If they did these contentious hearing wouldn't happen as often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted September 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, mrflynn03 said: Interfered in what way other than twitter bots and facebook ads? Its just hard for me to believe after 2 years of investigations that haven't turned up anything definitive, that there is much to be found. The second paragraph was mostly speculative. Dems are on record with wanting to overturn Heller which protects what I consider to be important and constitutionaly protected. It is a two way street, but from my perspective conservative leaning judges tend to follow the law more narrowly. What I see is america is divided between people who believe in a collective and people who believe in individualism. And I dont want to see laws adjudicated that side with the collective over individuals. I think we could agree the real problem is the legislature no wanting to do their jobs. If they did these contentious hearing wouldn't happen as often. Well we have proof the voting machines are really easy to hack and change votes, we just don't know rather or not that happened. Just because we don't know doesn't the DOJ doesn't know. Even if "all" they did was social media, why is that okay? If Trump and/or his campaign conspired with a foreign power (enemy in this case) that is a problem. Surely we can all agree to that, right? Hard to say what the implications of that problem are until we know exactly what happened. I agree we have problems with the legislature, it's become incredibly polarized and completely partisan. That is a problem on both sides. I think it's fair to say a lot of things come down to what is best for the individual vs what is best for the country as a whole. That's a different debate completely though about which is the correct point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted September 7, 2018 Report Share Posted September 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Well we have proof the voting machines are really easy to hack and change votes, we just don't know rather or not that happened. Just because we don't know doesn't the DOJ doesn't know. Even if "all" they did was social media, why is that okay? If Trump and/or his campaign conspired with a foreign power (enemy in this case) that is a problem. Surely we can all agree to that, right? Hard to say what the implications of that problem are until we know exactly what happened. I agree we have problems with the legislature, it's become incredibly polarized and completely partisan. That is a problem on both sides. I think it's fair to say a lot of things come down to what is best for the individual vs what is best for the country as a whole. That's a different debate completely though about which is the correct point of view. I think this is a good example for outlawing electronic voting. Im in favor of paper balloting only. Fill in the circle, no hanging chads. I would take inconvenience of over the risk involved. Not saying a social media campaign is ok but I dont see it being effective and probably impossible to shut down completely. As far as I've seen the Trump campaign at worst wanted to get dirt on hillary from the russians. which would have been unnecessary anyway? What about Hillary's dossier on trump? Wasnt an ex Russian agent involved in that? Or am I wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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