Billingsley99 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, IUguy said: Yeah, but remember, there were no three pointers back then and McKrackern took him out, at least in the Minnesota game, with over six minutes remaining. He still is probably the best pure scoring guard to ever play for IU. I agree. I have not seen much video of him at all but believe also that he is the best shooter in IU history. I was just having some fun with a post in the NBA thread about Klay taking so many shots to break a record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 My question has been why are individual scoring down today compared to what it was back then. Is it that coaches try to micro manage and not let the players go out and play. Is it that teams have more guys who can score so they don't have to rely on one scorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: My question has been why are individual scoring down today compared to what it was back then. Is it that coaches try to micro manage and not let the players go out and play. Is it that teams have more guys who can score so they don't have to rely on one scorer. JMHO, 3 things. Shot clock, 3 point line, and lack of post play. The shot clock does not allow the team to run a fluid offense. Teams like the 3 point shot. And the offense isn't centered around a true center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 I.T. for sure. Only because Ivan Renko was reportedly taller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Actually I thought I was h best little player for IU since when I was young I pretended to play for IU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 The best small names would have to be Bootsie White and Bubbles Harris, who, I believe, started together a bunch of games in Knight's first season. Which is neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Mac said: The best small names would have to be Bootsie White and Bubbles Harris, who, I believe, started together a bunch of games in Knight's first season. Which is neither here nor there. I have been wracking my brain all day since your post, mentioning Cornelius "Bootsie" White. I knew the name, but could not place him till now. Bootsie, from Hammond, Indiana. I actually saw him play high school basketball, before he came to IU. Yep.... he was a "small" for sure. But, man he was quick. Well under 6-0 as memory serves me. Though from Hammond, I think he went to Hammond Tech, and not Hammond High. And took them deep into the sectionals his Senior year.... late 1960's. I could be wrong on that... it's been so many years. But.... Wow.... thanks for the memory ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 4:01 PM, rico said: JMHO, 3 things. Shot clock, 3 point line, and lack of post play. The shot clock does not allow the team to run a fluid offense. Teams like the 3 point shot. And the offense isn't centered around a true center. This is interesting. It implies that shooting percentages were higher before the 3 point line and shot clock. Is that so? I did an exhaustive two minute search on Google and couldn't figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mac said: This is interesting. It implies that shooting percentages were higher before the 3 point line and shot clock. Is that so? I did an exhaustive two minute search on Google and couldn't figure it out. IMO....yes they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Tommy Coverdale with an honorable mention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 11 hours ago, Mac said: This is interesting. It implies that shooting percentages were higher before the 3 point line and shot clock. Is that so? I did an exhaustive two minute search on Google and couldn't figure it out. Pretty much and actually scoring was higher as well. It was all about taking the best shots for most teams and if that was after 10 seconds or a minute but they took a good shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: Pretty much and actually scoring was higher as well. It was all about taking the best shots for most teams and if that was after 10 seconds or a minute but they took a good shot. FWIW Scott....the '76-'77 UNLV Rebs averaged a tad over 107 ppg. No shot clock. No 3 point line. Their lowest point output that year was 78, and they won that game. Their FG% was just a tick under 50% as a team. The boys could shoot and "coerced" their opponents into playing their style of game. They were an Independent that year and played a dang fine schedule. Made it to the FF and got beat by UNC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, rico said: FWIW Scott....the '76-'77 UNLV Rebs averaged a tad over 107 ppg. No shot clock. No 3 point line. Their lowest point output that year was 78, and they won that game. Their FG% was just a tick under 50% as a team. The boys could shoot and "coerced" their opponents into playing their style of game. They were an Independent that year and played a dang fine schedule. Made it to the FF and got beat by UNC. I think coaches today want to much control of his players and micromanage the game and won't allow a free flowing offense like they use to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 11:39 PM, milehiiu said: But.... Wow.... thanks for the memory ! Cheers for anyone who remembers Bootsie. And Bubbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Mac said: Cheers for anyone who remembers Bootsie. And Bubbles. No beer for me.....a tad before my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 23 hours ago, IU Scott said: I think coaches today want to much control of his players and micromanage the game and won't allow a free flowing offense like they use to. This is true in college. The offense in the NBA right now is as good as we have ever seen in basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 11 hours ago, KoB2011 said: This is true in college. The offense in the NBA right now is as good as we have ever seen in basketball. College was what I was talking about because the leading scorers in the country use to average over 30 points a game. today you are lucky to see guys average over 20 points a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: College was what I was talking about because the leading scorers in the country use to average over 30 points a game. today you are lucky to see guys average over 20 points a game. And then there was "Pistol Pete" Maravich who averaged over 44 point per game. Along with the "Spendid Splinter" there is something special, I miss about the college game in terms of scoring, and coaching management today. Back in the day.... coaches allowed their shooting stars to shine. And as a kid, I could not wait to open the paper in the morning, to see how many points those shooting stars scored the night before. It was fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, milehiiu said: And then there was "Pistol Pete" Maravich who averaged over 44 point per game. Along with the "Spendid Splinter" there is something special, I miss about the college game in terms of scoring, and coaching management today. Back in the day.... coaches allowed their shooting stars to shine. And as a kid, I could not wait to open the paper in the morning, to see how many points those shooting stars scored the night before. It was fun. When I was growing up in the early mid 90's the game was still a game. Now it is a business and players are products it seems. Still enjoy following IU and I feel CAM is bringing back the approach to the game I grew up with. Pistol pete was out of control. He did what he did on mediocre teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 hours ago, mrflynn03 said: When I was growing up in the early mid 90's the game was still a game. Now it is a business and players are products it seems. Still enjoy following IU and I feel CAM is bringing back the approach to the game I grew up with. Pistol pete was out of control. He did what he did on mediocre teams. Pete played on a fine team his Sr. year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2018 He wasn't the best small to play for IU, in my estimation. However, at 5-7, Tony Freeman does have a national championship ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 hours ago, milehiiu said: He wasn't the best small to play for IU, in my estimation. However, at 5-7, Tony Freeman does have a national championship ring. Luckily, they got him in the same picture with Dean Garrett, at 6-10. Nice post, Mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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