FW_Hoosier Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Hoosier987 said: He was and is a bad coach. While they won, his Georgia team just committed 26 turnovers to a D2 school in Western GA!!! -- that's incredible. Also, I kid you not, apparently Western GA was running a zone and UGA didn't know how to beat the zone Glad to see Crean's style of play is fully implemented at UGA. Lol, that is pretty incredible. Between 2010 and 2017, IU only had one game with 26 or more TOs... 26 against Liberty on November 19, 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Just for reference......the pros probably cost Bobby at least 2 banners. If Crean would have won 1 or came close, he would still be the coach. What if? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrflynn03 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, rico said: Just for reference......the pros probably cost Bobby at least 2 banners. If Crean would have won 1 or came close, he would still be the coach. What if? Agree, and how many banners did being a first class ahole cost him too? Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed it all at the time but if he wasnt such a hardass he could have been right behind wooden but without the cheating. What if right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 47 minutes ago, rico said: Just for reference......the pros probably cost Bobby at least 2 banners. If Crean would have won 1 or came close, he would still be the coach. What if? If I was 6’10 with a 40 inch vertical, I’d be dominating the NBA right now. What if? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, FW_Hoosier said: If I was 6’10 with a 40 inch vertical, I’d be dominating the NBA right now. What if? I am 5-10 and had a 42" vertical. Sarcasm at its finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 12 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Oh, I give Crean credit for having some good teams and winning some big games. But, when an opponent could get him out of his comfort zone, when they slowed things down and played a half court game, he had no ability to overcome that. When Crean had Uber talent, his teams were good. He never showed, at IU at least, that he could take a lesser talked team and coach them up to perform better than their abilities Agree all day. That's the thing that I guess bothers me the most with Crean. If he knew that talent=better results....how did he have the class inconsistencies in recruiting? I mean the roster management was just puzzling. Admittedly I'm a Crean fan and supporter. Had a chance to know some behind the scenes actions of him and he's a very good guy/person. With that said. $25 Million and years later it was time for a divorce. No hard feelings. I hope he does great at Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCHoosier32 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 all college coaches deal with the same challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said: all college coaches deal with the same challenge What challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 The discussion is taking place a vacuum as if only IU deals with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 35 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: The discussion is taking place a vacuum as if only IU deals with this. But that wasn't the question. It only pertained to Crean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 What would he have done with all of the over-signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, BDB said: What would he have done with all of the over-signs? That would have been ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Tom Crean, I believe, really began to sell “we can get you to the league” as his fundamental pitch with highly rated recruits. I think he had some success using that, but it was short-sighted because it caused roster shortages as he was able to get some of those players, and as has been mentioned his roster management struggles were compounded by some years with many leaving at the same time (graduation, dismissals, transfers and NBA early entrants). One comment Archie made early that I loved: many feel they’re ready for the NBA, but for every 50 that declare, maybe 5 are ready. Archie thrives on recruiting for roster balance, need and class balance. Lastly, Crean was limited, I believe, because he had to learn basketball. Archie grew up the son of a coach, worked his A$$ off to make a solid D1 starting guard at under 6’, and has a very level-headed personality that is received as authentic, whereas Crean came across as a salesperson with a stream-of-consciousness style of coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 18 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: If I was 6’10 with a 40 inch vertical, I’d be dominating the NBA right now. What if? Hanner? Is that you? What NBA team are you on now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Hanner? Is that you? What NBA team are you on now? HMP would be lucky to be 6'7". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 Ifs and buts. Candy and nuts. Obla-di. Obla-da. Life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Ifs and buts. Candy and nuts. Obla-di. Obla-da. Life goes on. At the market place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/2/2018 at 11:32 AM, rico said: Interesting takes. But what if Cody would have stayed, what if Vic would have stayed, and what if Vonleh would have stayed? If they all stayed, he wouldn't have had room for them with all of the over-signing and would have had to "Crean" some players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, cybergates said: If they all stayed, he wouldn't have had room for them with all of the over-signing and would have had to "Crean" some players. You are completely missing the question/point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapperin LA Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Crean cost Crean his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergates Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 43 minutes ago, rico said: You are completely missing the question/point. Not really. I answered previously No to the original topic/question. Your addition to the question with the what if Cody, Vic, Vonleh, etc. stayed, doesn't change my answer. He still isn't a good enough coach to navigate the NCAA tournament to a title even if those guys stayed IMO. You're also having this scenario where only his NBA guys stay and other teams don't, so it isn't a logical what if to begin with. Plus he'd have to deal with the oversign which would be an issue for team chemistry and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 3:59 PM, Fundamentals said: Lastly, Crean was limited, I believe, because he had to learn basketball. Archie grew up the son of a coach, worked his A$$ off to make a solid D1 starting guard at under 6’, and has a very level-headed personality that is received as authentic, whereas Crean came across as a salesperson with a stream-of-consciousness style of coaching. Great point. I've always believed that in the world of arts and sports, you can JUST study about a subject for a long time, become VERY knowledgeable, and be a very good critic, curator, or commentator, but you don't truly know what it really takes to become a good/great artist or sportsperson. There's just so much more you have to learn and go through only by your own experiences in order to be able to teach others well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fundamentals Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 Follow up: Crean has ‘em playing fast and giving the ball away like we saw here. Against West Georgia, a D2 opponent, Georgia turned the ball over 26 times. In a forty minute game? Yikes. They won handily, but that won’t work once division 1 opponents are faced. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgia-bulldogs-play-fast-and-free-in-tom-creans-stegeman-coliseum-debut/amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fundamentals said: Follow up: Crean has ‘em playing fast and giving the ball away like we saw here. Against West Georgia, a D2 opponent, Georgia turned the ball over 26 times. In a forty minute game? Yikes. They won handily, but that won’t work once division 1 opponents are faced. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgia-bulldogs-play-fast-and-free-in-tom-creans-stegeman-coliseum-debut/amp Man so refreshing this is no longer us 🙌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Fundamentals said: Follow up: Crean has ‘em playing fast and giving the ball away like we saw here. Against West Georgia, a D2 opponent, Georgia turned the ball over 26 times. In a forty minute game? Yikes. They won handily, but that won’t work once division 1 opponents are faced. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dawgnation.com/mens-basketball/georgia-bulldogs-play-fast-and-free-in-tom-creans-stegeman-coliseum-debut/amp That's gotta happen when players are not good enough to play at break neck pace. UGA kids played relatively slow offense and pretty tough defense under the previous coach. Crean, undoubtedly plays his style regardless of who he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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