5fouls Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, btownqb said: Did I read that Lamar turned down 130 million dollars guaranteed? 3 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: Yep. FWIW Watson got $230 million guaranteed, and he’s a slime ball. At some point, I would like to think I would step back and think to myself "I dont have to be the highest paid dude. 130 million ain't bad." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: At some point, I would like to think I would step back and think to myself "I dont have to be the highest paid dude. 130 million ain't bad." I would think... as a running QB who is OFTEN injured and someone handed me 130 million upfront... I'd sign it in blood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think the Browns and Cards are fools too. Although, gulp... outside wanting to get a handski.... Watson is about 100x the QB Kyler is.... So... I'd actually take Watson's contract over Kyler's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Sorry, but that is an AWFUL argument in Jackson's camp if that's the reason he turned that down. How so? What should he use to evaluate his market worth for guaranteed money if not what other QBs are getting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: At some point, I would like to think I would step back and think to myself "I dont have to be the highest paid dude. 130 million ain't bad." And at some point, if I cared about you, I'd slap you and ask what the hell you're doing leaving $100M on the table. I mean $130M doesn't really go that far when you're divorced 13 times, you of all people should know that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: How so? What should he use to evaluate his market worth for guaranteed money if not what other QBs are getting? Because he isn't worth $130 million to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Because the Browns are idiots, the Ravens shouldn't over pay or over guarantee for Lamar Jackson. Him turning down $130 million is insanely dumb. I think it's dumb to offer him that much. But, hey. That's up to the Ravens to decide what they think he is worth, but in terms of Lamar he should absolutely use the benchmark set by other QBs. Now if you want to say his goal shouldn't be to get the most money because of whatever other reasons (there's certainly valid reasons) then yeah, that's fair. But if his personal goal is to get paid as much as he can, $130M isn't even close to the market rate for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, btownqb said: Because he isn't worth $130 million to begin with. He's worth whatever someone wants to pay him. I'm happy to put some money on someone out there deciding he is worth more than that, you want to take that bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: He's worth whatever someone wants to pay him. I'm happy to put some money on someone out there deciding he is worth more than that, you want to take that bet? He is not worth 130 million dollars. Idc if someone pays him that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, btownqb said: Because he isn't worth $130 million to begin with. Russ has $165 guaranteed. Colts' last two quarterbacks--Wentz $107 million, Ryan $100 million. You don't think Jackson has more value than these guys? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: That's up to the Ravens to decide what they think he is worth, but in terms of Lamar he should absolutely use the benchmark set by other QBs. Now if you want to say his goal shouldn't be to get the most money because of whatever other reasons (there's certainly valid reasons) then yeah, that's fair. But if his personal goal is to get paid as much as he can, $130M isn't even close to the market rate for him. No, he should take the 130 million guaranteed and realize he's lucky he got that. He's not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, btownqb said: He is not worth 130 million dollars. Idc if someone pays him that. Can you explain how you're deterring what he is worth if it isn't the benchmark of other QBs and what teams are willing to pay him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Steubenhoosier said: Russ has $165 guaranteed. Colts' last two quarterbacks--Wentz $107 million, Ryan $100 million. You don't think Jackson has more value than these guys? Yeah, he has about... 23 million more dollars worth of value than Wentz. Russ isn't worth 165 either lol ...... You guys are making my point. None of these dudes are worth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, btownqb said: No, he should take the 130 million guaranteed and realize he's lucky he got that. He's not that good. You know I love you man, but your QB takes are just incredibly strange. You beg for Ehlinger to play because he can run, then you say Lamar (who has a freaking MVP and the Ravens w/l with him vs without is incredibly one sided) isn't that good? You don't think Brady is that good? I think you should change your name to btownDB with these takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: Can you explain how you're deterring what he is worth if it isn't the benchmark of other QBs and what teams are willing to pay him? It's bad business. If you have an employee that is regularly not available to work/the competitors have figured out how the "one up" or get advantages on you, as well... you aren't worth that. These QBs, most, aren't worth the money they're given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: Yeah, he has about... 23 million more dollars worth of value than Wentz. Russ isn't worth 165 either lol ...... You guys are making my point. None of these dudes are worth that. Can you explain how you're deterring what he is worth if it isn't the benchmark of other QBs and what teams are willing to pay him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, btownqb said: It's bad business. If you have an employee that is regularly not available to work/the competitors have figured out how the "one up" or get advantages on you, as well... you aren't worth that. These QBs, most, aren't worth the money they're given. You still aren't offering a solution, just complaining. Can you explain how you're determining what he is worth if it isn't the benchmark of other QBs and what teams are willing to pay him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: You know I love you man, but your QB takes are just incredibly strange. You beg for Ehlinger to play because he can run, then you say Lamar (who has a freaking MVP and the Ravens w/l with him vs without is incredibly one sided) isn't that good? You don't think Brady is that good? I think you should change your name to btownDB with these takes. I never begged for Ehlinger to play. I just mentioned I would have used him instead of the others. I also said I would have just him in the RZ and short yardage because our team has struggled with that for years. Most teams use their QBs legs in short yardage and goal to go situations. Lamar is overrated. He isn't worth 130 million. If he was offered that and turned it down, he's a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: You still aren't offering a solution, just complaining. Can you explain how you're determining what he is worth if it isn't the benchmark of other QBs and what teams are willing to pay him? I don't have to have a solution lol Dude isn't that good. The moment he loses his over the top athleticism, and maybe he already has... he's going to go from above average to below really quick. He'll be another Cam Newton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, btownqb said: I never begged for Ehlinger to play. I just mentioned I would have used him instead of the others. I also said I would have just him in the RZ and short yardage because our team has struggled with that for years. Most teams use their QBs legs in short yardage and goal to go situations. Lamar is overrated. He isn't worth 130 million. If he was offered that and turned it down, he's a fool. Well he isn't a fool because he is going to get more than that from someone. Come on man, don't make me keep asking. You keep saying he isn't worth $130M, but you refuse to offer anything to say how you would evaluate what he is worth. If you aren't going to use what he is offered by the Ravens, or what other QBs are getting paid, what are you using to say he isn't worth that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, KoB2011 said: Well he isn't a fool because he is going to get more than that from someone. Come on man, don't make me keep asking. You keep saying he isn't worth $130M, but you refuse to offer anything to say how you would evaluate what he is worth. If you aren't going to use what he is offered by the Ravens, or what other QBs are getting paid, what are you using to say he isn't worth that? Well his play? I don't understand. That was pretty evident to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 I doubt that the GMs/owners/lawyers/accountants/salary cap gurus of the teams that are purportedly overpaying their quarterbacks are all so stupid that they have been horribly duped. If nothing else, Jackson is taking advantage of a supply/demand issue. We have discussed ad nauseum what alternative quarterbacks are available to rectify the Colts' situation, and the answers aren't as attractive as Jackson. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, btownqb said: Well his play? I don't understand. That was pretty evident to me. Yeah, agreed. So you think Kyler Murray is worth more than $60M more, Russ is worth more than $35M more, and DeShaun Watson is worth more than $110M more based on their play? Because those guys have all set the rate for QB pay, and now you have to pay Lamar comparatively to those contracts for his play. That's just basic economics, and while there may be some sort of market reset on QBs at some point, it is very unlikely to be Lamar who is the one who does that. Edited January 23, 2023 by KoB2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: I think Jackson should feel lucky he got 130 million offered to him guaranteed. Must think he can get more on the open market? I’m not a fan of the Colts trading multiple high draft picks for him but he’d be a huge upgrade over Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 23, 2023 Report Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: I doubt that the GMs/owners/lawyers/accountants/salary cap gurus of the teams that are purportedly overpaying their quarterbacks are all so stupid that they have been horribly duped. If nothing else, Jackson is taking advantage of a supply/demand issue. We have discussed ad nauseum what alternative quarterbacks are available to rectify the Colts' situation, and the answers aren't as attractive as Jackson. Oh.. so Kyler Murray is worth 190 million? Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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