Steubenhoosier Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 hour ago, dgambill said: Those guys are replaceable…they are mostly expiring deals or a deal with 1 year left. You will have to replace them anyways. So those picks will be used on protecting the new qb and building a young defense around him that is on the same timeline. Unless you think we keep everyone and still somehow land a franchise qb from the middle of the first round. not sure All-Pros like Buckner and Gilmore are replaceable. Instead of signing an aging quarterback on the tail-end of his career, how would you feel about keeping the defense mostly intact and going all in on Lamar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: not sure All-Pros like Buckner and Gilmore are replaceable. Instead of signing an aging quarterback on the tail-end of his career, how would you feel about keeping the defense mostly intact and going all in on Lamar? I would be all for this if it was even a remote possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, IUskim said: I would be all for this if it was even a remote possibility Lamar failing in the playoffs again(if they make it?) might have the Ravens thinking moving on from him? But yeah, I am all in myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, rico said: Lamar failing in the playoffs again(if they make it?) might have the Ravens thinking moving on from him? But yeah, I am all in myself. I am sure the Ravens will franchise tag him and won't let him leave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: not sure All-Pros like Buckner and Gilmore are replaceable. Instead of signing an aging quarterback on the tail-end of his career, how would you feel about keeping the defense mostly intact and going all in on Lamar? No. I would never get another Bengals game on Louisville TV again. It's bad enough now when he plays for Baltimore, but it's a 50/50 split. But, if he played for Indianapolis, it would be Colts every week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, 5fouls said: No. I would never get another Bengals game on Louisville TV again. It's bad enough now when he plays for Baltimore, but it's a 50/50 split. But, if he played for Indianapolis, it would be Colts every week. He’d be out of the Bengals’ division though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Steubenhoosier said: He’d be out of the Bengals’ division though! The Bengals have historically done well against him, at least in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 hours ago, IU Scott said: https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/peyton-manning-week-draft-manning-ryan-leaf This article said it bwas 50/50 in the Colts office. Said they polled 20 GM's and 14 said they would have taken Leaf First it says half didn’t want Peyton then later it says all the coaches and the GM preferred Peyton. 14 unnamed GMs seem rather hard to believe nor do I think they were honest if this is true. Also given the number 1 spot they would have done the same due diligence that the Colts did and come to the same conclusion. Even if they picked Ryan they didn’t study the two closely because they had no chance to draft them. Anyways GMs are notorious for sending mixed messages around draft prospects…I’ve yet to hear a person go on the record and say he would have taken Ryan Leaf over Peyton… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: not sure All-Pros like Buckner and Gilmore are replaceable. Instead of signing an aging quarterback on the tail-end of his career, how would you feel about keeping the defense mostly intact and going all in on Lamar? Trading everything for him? He isn’t a free agent…he can be tagged 3 years in a row just like Cousins did twice…Baltimore won’t let him walk. They will play the same game Washington did. I don’t think they trust he will stay healthy long term and be able to make the transition to a pocket passer…else they would have offered him the moon already. They will just do what teams do to running backs….ride them hard for 4-5 years…tag them once or twice and walk away once they are used up…rinse and repeat. Edited October 27, 2022 by dgambill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: not sure All-Pros like Buckner and Gilmore are replaceable. Instead of signing an aging quarterback on the tail-end of his career, how would you feel about keeping the defense mostly intact and going all in on Lamar? Also how did we acquire them? Seems it wasn’t too difficult…much easier so than acquiring an all pro qb in their prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: So, basically gut the one unit of the team that is playing well? To take a chance that a franchise quarterback falls to you in the draft? And then go through the growing pains every rookie qb experiences? No thanks So what’s your solution? We’ve tried to build a strong team around a veteran QB several times now and each year the results get worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 hours ago, IU Scott said: I am sure the Ravens will franchise tag him and won't let him leave Likely exactly what will happen. Why go big contract when he could get folded like RG3? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 hours ago, KoB2011 said: So what’s your solution? We’ve tried to build a strong team around a veteran QB several times now and each year the results get worse. My solution is to draft Will Levis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, rico said: My solution is to draft Will Levis. They will likely need a Top 10 draft pick to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, 5fouls said: They will likely need a Top 10 draft pick to do that. LOL Heck they might need a Top 3. I just feel that Levis is the best pro QB in the draft at present. Now the Colts' slot might be aligned to get the kid from Florida. He is getting some 1st round love from some of the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 hours ago, dgambill said: Trading everything for him? He isn’t a free agent…he can be tagged 3 years in a row just like Cousins did twice…Baltimore won’t let him walk. They will play the same game Washington did. I don’t think they trust he will stay healthy long term and be able to make the transition to a pocket passer…else they would have offered him the moon already. They will just do what teams do to running backs….ride them hard for 4-5 years…tag them once or twice and walk away once they are used up…rinse and repeat. Lamar is a free agent at the end of this season. The Colts have built the defense to win now. The O-line isn't horrible. Needs an upgrade at LT and could use a guard. Kelly, Smith and Nelson are worth keeping. Create cap room to go after Lamar. If that doesn't work, use the money to fill the two line spots. Agree that there are a couple of guys that could be let go on defense, but not gutting it. Drafting a rookie quarterback, and hoping he develops essentially wastes the effort in building the defense to where it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Not gunna lie.... I'm alllll in on 930 AM football on Sunday. Love it. Wife loves being up early on Sundays, getting coffee and BnGs going and having the pregame/game on. I usually roll out of bed about 9:29 on those mornings haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Steubenhoosier said: Lamar is a free agent at the end of this season. The Colts have built the defense to win now. The O-line isn't horrible. Needs an upgrade at LT and could use a guard. Kelly, Smith and Nelson are worth keeping. Create cap room to go after Lamar. If that doesn't work, use the money to fill the two line spots. Agree that there are a couple of guys that could be let go on defense, but not gutting it. Drafting a rookie quarterback, and hoping he develops essentially wastes the effort in building the defense to where it is today. There is almost a 0% chance Lamar Jackson hits free agency and a team gets him by just signing him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: There is almost a 0% chance Lamar Jackson hits free agency and a team gets him by just signing him. Money talks. If he is negotiating his own contract, as has been reported, he may be more open. Can't hurt to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Steubenhoosier said: Money talks. If he is negotiating his own contract, as has been reported, he may be more open. Can't hurt to try. It's not up to Lamar though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Money talks. If he is negotiating his own contract, as has been reported, he may be more open. Can't hurt to try. About a 99.9% chance he gets franchised. .01 he signs a long term deal with anyone, actually. Pretty much the entire conversation from start to finish. Respectfully 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1972iu Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said: Money talks. If he is negotiating his own contract, as has been reported, he may be more open. Can't hurt to try. As IUScott mentioned, the Ravens will surely franchise tag him. I think I heard they have two years left of that option, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted October 27, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: About a 99.9% chance he gets franchised. .01 he signs a long term deal with anyone, actually. Pretty much the entire conversation from start to finish. Respectfully The only chance the Colts, or any team for that matter, have is that the Ravens move on from Lamar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said: Lamar is a free agent at the end of this season. The Colts have built the defense to win now. The O-line isn't horrible. Needs an upgrade at LT and could use a guard. Kelly, Smith and Nelson are worth keeping. Create cap room to go after Lamar. If that doesn't work, use the money to fill the two line spots. Agree that there are a couple of guys that could be let go on defense, but not gutting it. Drafting a rookie quarterback, and hoping he develops essentially wastes the effort in building the defense to where it is today. Lamar will get the franchise tag at least for two years if they can't settle on a contract extension. It just like with Cousins and Prescott Edited October 27, 2022 by IU Scott 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 The only way Lamar plays for anyone besides the Ravens in the next couple of years is if they pay the Ravens a kings ransom to get him. Whatever guys like Stafford or Russ have commanded, Lamar would surely command more due to age alone, let alone his skill level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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