IUskim Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, btownqb said: Do the Cards feel they're weak at QB? I wouldn’t think so. Their owner came out today saying kyler is going to have input in the next head coach they hire so…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btownqb Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, IUskim said: I wouldn’t think so. Their owner came out today saying kyler is going to have input in the next head coach they hire so…. I agree. It's a waste of time to include the Cards in the "QB needy" teams convo, they don't feel that way. Now.. they could still trade down, no doubt, and that would affect the Colts, but they aren't drafting one. Edited January 10, 2023 by btownqb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Boiler Sam said: He said the top 2 QBs will be gone. Yes, “A QB” will be there. Based on how many QB needy teams there are, I agree with him. Kaplan said today it’s “a lock” that the Bears trade that pick for a kings ransom. Always wise when people say something like that’s a lock at this point. Nothing is a lock four months before the draft. How silly. I will say it again, if the price we pay for not overpaying for a QB that is not a generational QB prospect (neither are, although both good prospects IMO) is that we get a generational defensive prospect, then sign me up for that punishment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Boiler Sam said: QBs have gone 1-2 in 3 of the last 8 drafts. As well as 1 and 3 in 2018. Sure, but also 1 of the last 6 because of how poorly it worked out those 7 and 8 years ago. And then it worked poorly again when Zach Wilson went 2. Not saying that it’s impossible for someone to overpay to move up, but I am saying it shouldn’t be the Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, IU Scott said: Teams who really needs a QB will trade up probably with the Cardinals Okay then let them do that. If the argument is the Colts have a ton of holes in the roster then we can’t afford to give up assets to move up anyway. Theres a pretty rich history of it not working out for the teams that do this, because rookie QBs need to be surrounded by a lot of guys not have it all traded away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Let’s say the Bears trade down. We either take the generational defender at 4 or take most of the kings ransom they got for the first pick. Negotiations are about leverage and some of y’all are advocating we give up all of our leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, btownqb said: Do the Cards feel they're weak at QB? The new GM and Head Coach may not want to hitch their wagon to a full time gamer / part time NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, btownqb said: I agree. It's a waste of time to include the Cards in the "QB needy" teams convo, they don't feel that way. Now.. they could still trade down, no doubt, and that would affect the Colts, but they aren't drafting one. We don’t know yet how the new GM and Coach will feel about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2345 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, dgambill said: I apologize….clearly Sam WAS the best qb on our team lol. Looking at that list….can’t imagine all 3 teams not looking for a new qb next year. The Bears aren’t moving on from Fields nor should they. These are for single games. He’s definitely not their biggest problem. The other 2 teams definitely needs QB’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Always wise when people say something like that’s a lock at this point. Nothing is a lock four months before the draft. How silly. I will say it again, if the price we pay for not overpaying for a QB that is not a generational QB prospect (neither are, although both good prospects IMO) is that we get a generational defensive prospect, then sign me up for that punishment. Silly would be the Bears taking 1 player instead of the half dozen they can get in a trade down. But it is the Bears, so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: Silly would be the Bears taking 1 player instead of the half dozen they can get in a trade down. But it is the Bears, so who knows. Can they not use any of that salary cap money they have? What about the 33rd pick, is that nothing? You act like this is their only asset when in reality they already have tons in terms of ability to add players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said: You're not making a very good case for trading up You said no teams would pay a lot for QB' s in this draft and showed you teams have for a lit less talented QB's. I think Stroud especially will be a very good QB in the league, maybe a franchise. I think You g will he a notch below but be very good. I agree the rest of the class aren't worth a high pick. If the Colts pick at 4th and both of those guys are gone I am picking Anderson or trade down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, btownqb said: Do the Cards feel they're weak at QB? Well they just fired their GM and coach so it depends what the new guys think. Since they just gave Murray 250 million it wod he hard to get rid of him and draft a new QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, IU Scott said: You said no teams would pay a lot for QB' s in this draft and showed you teams have for a lit less talented QB's. I think Stroud especially will be a very good QB in the league, maybe a franchise. I think You g will he a notch below but be very good. I agree the rest of the class aren't worth a high pick. If the Colts pick at 4th and both of those guys are gone I am picking Anderson or trade down. Okay, teams that do what you guys are advocating seem to regret it. Is that better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Always wise when people say something like that’s a lock at this point. Nothing is a lock four months before the draft. How silly. I will say it again, if the price we pay for not overpaying for a QB that is not a generational QB prospect (neither are, although both good prospects IMO) is that we get a generational defensive prospect, then sign me up for that punishment. Is that like having a generational guard. You said those two defensive guys are generational. I heard some say Anderson is very good but wouldn't put him in the category of some of the past top picks at the edge rusher Edited January 10, 2023 by IU Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, IU Scott said: Is that lime having a generational guard. You said those two defensive guys are generational. I heard some say Anderson is very good but wouldn't put him in the category of some of the past top picks atv dge rusher No, an edge guy is not like a guard. Who said Anderson isn’t generational? Would love to see that link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: We don’t know yet how the new GM and Coach will feel about him. Well the owner feels great about him because he said today that he will have input on the new head coach hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Can they not use any of that salary cap money they have? What about the 33rd pick, is that nothing? You act like this is their only asset when in reality they already have tons in terms of ability to add players. Have you seen the Bears? They have more holes than you can fill in free agency. Pace missed on almost all his first round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, btownqb said: Do the Cards feel they're weak at QB? I would if I was their new GM…but I also don’t know who would take Murray at his contract off their hands. I mean he is a net negative imo. Id tear it down trade Hopkins, Ertz, and Murray if I could. Team is way way far from competing in that division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, IUskim said: Well the owner feels great about him because he said today that he will have input on the new head coach hire. What else is he going to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, IUskim said: Well the owner feels great about him because he said today that he will have input on the new head coach hire. That is kind of stupid to let players have input on the HC position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUskim Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Boiler Sam said: What else is he going to say? Kyler is a quarterback for now. He didn’t have to say anything about letting him have input on hiring a new coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boiler Sam Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: Okay then let them do that. If the argument is the Colts have a ton of holes in the roster then we can’t afford to give up assets to move up anyway. My argument is, this roster has so many holes that you’re not making a deep playoff run anytime soon, and you need to get your franchise QB before you are going to win your division, let alone the AFC. Derek Carr isn’t the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdgenhoosier Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Boiler Sam said: My argument is, this roster has so many holes that you’re not making a deep playoff run anytime soon, and you need to get your franchise QB before you are going to win your division, let alone the AFC. Derek Carr isn’t the answer. And this is another area where we will disagree. Did you watch that Jags-Titans game the other night? The Colts are a good QB and a healthy Leonard and Taylor from being able to win this division. Now, a deep playoff run is something different so I’d concede your point on that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Boiler Sam said: This roster is going nowhere next season. You have to get your QB now. Trade pretty much any combo of players and 2023 picks to the Bears. Someone will offer the Bears a bounty for that pick and they will take it. Might as well be the Colts, and get Stroud or Young. I’m not as desperate as you. I don’t think we are as bad as you think…and I don’t think we need to trade everything to get to #1. I think with the right coaching and the right system we can win our division. I also think with good coaching several of these qbs could be developed. While I don’t see a Pat Mahomes in this draft I also don’t just think there is no hope for all of them. Put them in a good situation to be successful and play to their strengths and we can be just fine. I’m also not opposed to taking one of the defensive talents and taking a qb at the end of rd 1 or early 2 if we really don’t think the value is there. Can always go all in next year if it is a deeper class. Imo the coaching decisions are key in all this. Right guys and right systems to be successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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