milehiiu Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I think we are starting to see Archie in action as a coach. What he is doing, with the hand he was dealt, is bringing this team to a higher level, game after game. No question, Archie knows his personnel, as was shown in the second half when he had McRoberts, Hartman, and Davis all on the floor at the same time. Archie is starting to figure this out. And shows how he was able to make the NCAAT, one year, with a limited amount of scholarship players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indykev Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, 5fouls said: After my pre-season prediction that we would/should finish second in the conference, I'll celebrate even the smallest of victories. So this start has been all your fault then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just now, Indykev said: So this start has been all your fault then. I take responsibility for all the ills in the world for the last 482 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I take responsibility for all the ills in the world for the last 482 years. So you're saying the Church of England splitting away from the Catholic Church in November of 1534 was all your fault and has caused all the world's problems? I always suspected as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I did not get to see the whole game as my 5 year old grandson wants ALL of my attention. But I did get to see Hartman drop a 3 pointer on his 1st attempt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: So you're saying the Church of England splitting away from the Catholic Church in November of 1534 was all your fault and has caused all the world's problems? I always suspected as much. If there was a emoji that reflected my penance, I would would post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier987 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 truly remarkable stat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said: truly remarkable stat I would 'like' this but I've used my quota for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, 5fouls said: I take responsibility for all the ills in the world for the last 482 years. Hey, I'll take four of those years. Wait. Three of those years. Two. Yeah, two of those years. Two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 A lot to like tonight... Excellent outside shooting low turnovers senior leadership The psychological lift of Colin Hartman on the floor nailing his first 3. CAM holding players accountable The very solid play of two freshmen. IU tearing up a 2-3 zone McSwain showing he can contribute at a high level The obvious buy-in from the players steady, solid improvement from the team I'll stay with my prediction of 20 wins, but if they fall short playing like they did tonight, I'm fine with that. The future is bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 The team that played tonight was the polar opposite of the team that played last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Ballin Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: I know there is a desire to compare them since they are both white guys, but they really aren’t that similar. Ok, both of them being white has nothing to do with it. Im not saying they are carbon coppies of each other, but they are similar. They both pay attention to and do the little things a team needs to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: I know there is a desire to compare them since they are both white guys, but they really aren’t that similar. Yes they are, they're both caucasian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, 3Ballin said: Ok, both of them being white has nothing to do with it. Im not saying they are carbon coppies of each other, but they are similar. They both pay attention to and do the little things a team needs to win. Nothing against McRoberts. He plays hard, makes good cuts, and is a pretty solid wing defender. But the whole point of Collin Hartman is that he's a high level floor spacer who can guard either forward spot on defense. McRoberts is terrified to shoot from outside, and he's too small to guard the post. I don't think they are very similar. I think people sell Hartman short when they just talk about his leadership, yes he's a good leader, but when fully healthy he's a pretty big skilled versatile dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, dbmhoosier said: Duke currently getting blitzed by Texas. I was hoping they'd come in undefeated and #1. Looks like you get your wish. Don't think Arizona will be #2 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyHoosier Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just finished watching the game. Haven't read through the thread yet, but my take is that this team is finally establishing an Archie identity. It was fun to watch the post players battle for defensive position all game and hit the boards like they did. Also nice to see the offense not be tempted to push for perimeter shots off transition like we would have in the past and try to control each possession. Still too many turnovers, but many of them tonight were players trying to make an ill advised pass to involve a teammate, rather than players putting their head down and dribbling into a terrible situation. Those types or TO's are ones that are easier to clean up as the team jells than the selfish, stupid ones that we saw too often in past years. Just now had an realization that I haven't been seeing the ol' dribble>jump>pass to no one turnover we kept seeing in previous years. Thank God! I remember the announcer at one point saying Miller values defense and protecting the ball. It's not wonder this team has had such a tough transition considering these were the weaknesses of the Crean teams. I like the progress I'm seeing but fully expect us to have a very tough stretch of games coming up. I just hope this team doesn't have a confidence completely shattered by the Duke game. It's a fragile situation with young athletes and we couldn't have a worse game looming to work against the steps we've been taking forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyHoosier Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Btw, amazing how Newkirk couldn't hit a shot to save his life to start the season and suddenly shot like an All Big Ten players tonight. He ended last year shooting/scoring pretty effectively, so let's hope this wasn't a one game anomaly because it doesn't seem he will stop shooting from deep any time soon. Btw, a tale of two games from our senior guards this year: vs. East Michigan: 12/18 fg, 9-12 3 pt fg, 6 assists, 2 turnovers. vs. ISU: 4/15 fg, 1-9 3 pt fg, 3 assists, 6 turnovers. I don't expect them to put up these type of stats in future games in terms of scoring, but let's hope they maintain a higher level of overall effectiveness between the two of them than they started the season with. Green and Jones haven't played with any consistency, so it's really on these veteran guards to come out each game and make a positive impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Am I misremembering, or did Green sit a lot in the second half? I love how Archie refuses to pay guys who matter repeated mental mistakes, no matter how talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyHoosier Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Am I misremembering, or did Green sit a lot in the second half? I love how Archie refuses to pay guys who matter repeated mental mistakes, no matter how talented. He played 12 minutes total. I remember he turned the ball over at about the 15:00 mark of the second half (and then maybe fouled?) and then went down on defense one of the next couple possessions and jumped with no discipline at all on two pump fakes on the perimeter, which I think resulted in another foul. Not sure that's all completely accurate with fouls, but regardless it was not a pretty stretch of ball for him at all there. He was pulled after the jumping jack defensive effort and I don't think he played again after that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier82 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, KoB2011 said: Am I misremembering, or did Green sit a lot in the second half? I love how Archie refuses to pay guys who matter repeated mental mistakes, no matter how talented. He sat almost the entire half. I remember the camera being on him after one of RoJo’s made 3 point buckets when we were starting to pull away in the 2nd half. Hartman “sitting” next to him was on his feet cheering on his teammates while Green sat there completely still, looking totally dejected. I hope I’m off on Green but I sense a real attitude problem. I wouldn’t be surprised if he loses his starting spot to Al or Hartman next time out. Maybe coming off the bench will light a fire in his arse because we really need his offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 34 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said: He sat almost the entire half. I remember the camera being on him after one of RoJo’s made 3 point buckets when we were starting to pull away in the 2nd half. Hartman “sitting” next to him was on his feet cheering on his teammates while Green sat there completely still, looking totally dejected. I hope I’m off on Green but I sense a real attitude problem. I wouldn’t be surprised if he loses his starting spot to Al or Hartman next time out. Maybe coming off the bench will light a fire in his arse because we really need his offense. He's young. I wouldn't label him as an attitude problem just yet. I have a feeling that Archie will teach and motivate in a way Green responds to and you'll see a much better effort going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Recap of the game from two different perspectives : The Official Website of Eastern Michigan Athletics EMU Men's Hoops Suffers First Loss at Indiana, 87-67 Indiana wins third straight with 87-67 win over EMU | Indiana Hoosiers Basketball | nwitimes.com And then, there is this thing about an undersized Indiana center : Indiana undersized center plays really big in Hoosiers’ victory | News, Sports, Jobs - News-Sentinel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstall76 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Am I misremembering, or did Green sit a lot in the second half? I love how Archie refuses to pay guys who matter repeated mental mistakes, no matter how talented. We were at the game yesterday and it was great being able to see Archies reactions to what was going on on the court. Green did make some bad plays, but I think he may have tweaked something as well. He appeared to be favoring a knee or ankle, and at times I saw a grimace on his face. May have been a combination of both poor play and a slight injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, bstall76 said: We were at the game yesterday and it was great being able to see Archies reactions to what was going on on the court. Green did make some bad plays, but I think he may have tweaked something as well. He appeared to be favoring a knee or ankle, and at times I saw a grimace on his face. May have been a combination of both poor play and a slight injury. Thanks. I wasn't aware of him tweaking anything Regardless of that, I think I'd move Durham into the starting lineup as he is the more consistent player. Let Green be the microwave off the bench, and when he is having an off night you can sit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Most complete game of the season. The team really has been getting better each game, and Hartman’s ability to shoot the three makes a big difference. Durham with 5 assists and 0 TOs in 30 minutes is huge. McSwain with 10 points and 9 boards is also really encouraging. And nice to see the senior guards starting to come around. Feeling much better about the Duke game now, especially because it’s gonna be at home in front of a jacked up crowd. We have a chance to pull the upset if we play like we did last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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