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Re-Evaluating IU's Big Ten Chances


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54 minutes ago, hoosiertildeath said:

Maryland has lost a starter named Jackson FOR THE SEASON !! He averaged 10.1 Points per game last season AND WAS AVERAGING 9.8 PPG and 8,1 REBOUNDS PER GAME  THIS SEASON !! Maryland also loses  a Backup Center /Forward for the season  named Bender who was averaging 3.4 ppg aand 2.9 RPG this season ! That is a total of 13.2 ppg AND 11 REBOUNDS PER GAME THAT THE TERPS HAVE LOST ( I really like IU's chances much better NOW versus Maryland ) !!!! Wisconsin has lost a player { Kobe King] who was averaging 5.2 PPG this season FOR THE REST OF THIS SEASON ! Also , Trice , who was averaging 9.4 ppg this season DID NOT PLAY IN WISCONSIN'S last game and his status is UNKNOWN for tonight's game at Wisconsin( IU's chances TONIGHT are certainly better than they were before I found out about those 2 injuries at Wisconsin)  !!! pee yew's smellermakers have [ apparently] dismissed Forward Eden Ewing from their basketball team ! He was not a key player for pee yew , but he did have 6 games in which he actually scored a total of 27 points for an average of 4.5 points per game in which he actually played and scored !!

Came to post about the Wisky and Maryland injuries as well. I wish I had a more confidence in IU pulling things together, because especially with some recent injuries (McIntosh for NW as well, though looks like he might not be out long) the 4-6/7 slots in this conference are up for grabs  

I wish I had confidence that IU could seize the opportunity. 

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1 minute ago, BGleas said:

I wish I had confidence that IU could seize the opportunity. 

IU has the talent to seize the opportunity.  And, I believe they have the coaching to do so as well.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure they have the grit and desire to make it happen.

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Scenario 1: Make the NCAA's - we at least need to be 10-6 (plus a run to the finals in B1G tourney)
*Unlikely but not completely 'pie in the sky'

Scenario 2: Make the NIT - we maybe could make it in at 8-8???
*Most likely

Scenario 3: Something less than .500, which would decrease my confidence next season. 
*Unlikely but more likely than scenario 1

 

 

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2 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

IU has the talent to seize the opportunity.  And, I believe they have the coaching to do so as well.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure they have the grit and desire to make it happen.

Agree on the coaching for sure, not sure I agree on the talent, but I guess if you add the grit/desire then it can make up for the talent. It's one of those years where when you look up and down the schedule there are a lot of winnable games, but the flip side is everyone else looks at IU as winnable as well. 

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11 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

IU has the talent to seize the opportunity.  And, I believe they have the coaching to do so as well.  Unfortunately, I'm not sure they have the grit and desire to make it happen.

I am not sure we currently have the talent to win consistently.  I do whole heatedly believe we have a good coach, just not sure we have a good roster yet.  Give it a couple years.

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3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Agree on the coaching for sure, not sure I agree on the talent, but I guess if you add the grit/desire then it can make up for the talent. It's one of those years where when you look up and down the schedule there are a lot of winnable games, but the flip side is everyone else looks at IU as winnable as well. 

Not saying they can compete with MSU or Purdue, but  IU absolutely has the talent to finish in the 4-7 range in conference.  

From a talent perspective

  • Rob Johnson has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • De'Ron Davis has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • Ditto for Josh Newkirk
  • Same for Collin Hartman
  • Add to the above, if Green, Durham, Smith, and McSwain game us more consistent performances, IU could definitely compete for a Top 5 in a watered down conference.
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1 minute ago, 5fouls said:

Not saying they can compete with MSU or Purdue, but  IU absolutely has the talent to finish in the 4-7 range in conference.  

From a talent perspective

  • Rob Johnson has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • De'Ron Davis has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • Ditto for Josh Newkirk
  • Same for Collin Hartman
  • Add to the above, if Green, Durham, Smith, and McSwain game us more consistent performances, IU could definitely compete for a Top 5 in a watered down conference.

This team couldn't compete for top 5 in the MAC.  We have a team full of role players.  Guys who feed off of other big scorers.  We don' t have that.  None of these guys can create their own shot and can't seem to make open shots.  If we have had 1 big time outside shooter who could give us 15-20 a game, i think you would see a difference in all of them.  But not one of them can do it alone.  Put 2 or 3 together and we can compete.  But when one falters, we falter.  Morgan cannot win games alone.

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4 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

This team couldn't compete for top 5 in the MAC.  We have a team full of role players.  Guys who feed off of other big scorers.  We don' t have that.  None of these guys can create their own shot and can't seem to make open shots.  If we have had 1 big time outside shooter who could give us 15-20 a game, i think you would see a difference in all of them.  But not one of them can do it alone.  Put 2 or 3 together and we can compete.  But when one falters, we falter.  Morgan cannot win games alone.

Just because a group of players underachieves does not mean they lack talent.  This group's problem is significantly closer to 'underachieving' than it is a lack of talent.

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2 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Just because a group of players underachieves does not mean they lack talent.  This group's problem is significantly closer to 'underachieving' than it is a lack of talent.

I could agree if it was 1 or 2 players.  But other than McBob who is overachieving and Morgan who is what we hoped, they just don't look good.  Without the big scorer or super talented wing, their flaws are out in the open for all to see.  Hence why every team can shoot lights out on us.  No IQ and slow feet on most of them.  Good kids, just not great talents

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14 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Not saying they can compete with MSU or Purdue, but  IU absolutely has the talent to finish in the 4-7 range in conference.  

From a talent perspective

  • Rob Johnson has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • De'Ron Davis has proven in the past he is a better player than he is showing now.
  • Ditto for Josh Newkirk
  • Same for Collin Hartman
  • Add to the above, if Green, Durham, Smith, and McSwain game us more consistent performances, IU could definitely compete for a Top 5 in a watered down conference.

From a purely raw talent perspective, yes we probably do have the talent to compete for 5-7, especially given injuries on some of the other teams, etc. But, I think we lose some of that because the roster is so mis-managed. Yes, we have some guys with talent, but they don't compliment each other and the makeup of the roster is missing key aspects. 

We don't have a shooter (think Roith or Zeisloft who aren't necessary "talent" guys you'd think of, but would definitely help this team). We don't have much length or athleticism anywhere on the court. We don't have anyone who can penetrate and finish consistently. We don't have anyone who can play above the rim. Heck, even a guy like a VJ3 who isn't/wasn't the most talented guy, but he would be getting mid-range buckets on this team. What I'm saying is that we have a bunch of guys that are good/decent at various things, but no specialists where you can fit the pieces together into a cohesive, even if less talented, team. 

We have a bunch of moderately talented (Morgan is legit of course) individuals, but the pieces really don't fit. 

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On 12/31/2017 at 10:23 PM, milehiiu said:

Yes.  A former mod on HSN.  Good to see an old friend from Fort Wayne, who once sent me some IU tapes.  Another day. And another age.  But great to see an old friend again.

Egad. Did I just say... Old Friend ?  Johnson and others know who I am referenced.  LOL

South Bend, Mile. You've been trying to put me in Fort Wayne for years now lol

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21 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

South Bend, Mile. You've been trying to put me in Fort Wayne for years now lol

When did you move ?  ha ha.  No matter,  you're one of the good guys.  Never forgot the favors you did for me..... must be a decade back. 

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