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15 minutes ago, Hoosier82 said:

I don't understand why so many people keep saying the athletes should be paid....It's not going to happen. Title XI would requires equal treatment/assets provided to all. So if you want to pay the high revenue players you have to pay ALL of them and most likely you'll have to pay them equally. I don't care how much revenue major schools get from basketball/football, its not enough to pay every athlete on campus. It also makes the students employees of the state and/or institution which opens up another can of worms. If players want to get paid outside their scholarship and stipend they can play in the D leagues/Minor Leagues and/or overseas...no one will miss those players and the college brand will thrive because the fans root for their schools not matter if they have "1 and done" talent.

Logistics aside, the question is SHOULD they get paid? Do you really think that it it right for universities/NCAA to make money off of a kids name and talent when they can't profit from it themselves? If enough people are able to recognize the hypocrisy change will ultimately happen. I agree with you that it will be tough to determine who and how will be able to benefit monetarily, but just because there are obstacles in the way doesn't make it any less unjust. 

The reality of it is highly talented kids have two shitty paths to choose from. And the notion that the D-League/playing overseas is a viable option to the NCAA right now is absurd, because if it was, more kids would be choosing that path. The most logical fix would start with the NBA because I think they are the one ultimately responsible for this mess. They need to invest in their d-leauge, change the the age restriction, or both. Maybe they'll feel the pressure as this investigation rolls on. 

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1 hour ago, tdhoosier said:

Also, looking back through this thread....I'd like to state that I'm on the 'Bilas' side of paying athletes. I will preface my argument by saying that this does not excuse any illegal payments being made now or in the past. Everybody who broke the rules deserves what is coming to them. As long as it's the rule, everybody should abide by it.

But let's dumb this down and say what it really is:

Colleges are telling athletes (kids, mind you): we'll house you, feed you, and give you an 'education' so we can make millions of dollars off of your talent and your name. BUT you can't profit from your talent or your name.

Of course this is not for all athletes, only the best of the best, but it is not even remotely fair. And sometimes I wonder how in this day and age it is even legal. 

If these kids are smart they can have a lot of extra money form their scholarship.  I stated before my daughter received a scholarship from IU for the total cost of attendance plus FASFA and other scholarships.  This year she got an apartment and all the cost that went to the dorm went directly to her. The check she got for the first semester is enough to pay for the whole years worth of rent. Also it was enough to pay for her monthly care payment. these athletes should have plenty of money left over for whatever they want.

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4 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

Logistics aside, the question is SHOULD they get paid? Do you really think that it it right for universities/NCAA to make money off of a kids name and talent when they can't profit from it themselves? If enough people are able to recognize the hypocrisy change will ultimately happen. I agree with you that it will be tough to determine who and how will be able to benefit monetarily, but just because there are obstacles in the way doesn't make it any less unjust. 

The reality of it is highly talented kids have two shitty paths to choose from. And the notion that the D-League/playing overseas is a viable option to the NCAA right now is absurd, because if it was, more kids would be choosing that path. The most logical fix would start with the NBA because I think they are the one ultimately responsible for this mess. They need to invest in their d-leauge, change the the age restriction, or both. Maybe they'll feel the pressure as this investigation rolls on. 

I don't think that schools should pay athletes for all the logistical reasons mentioned.  But I do think athletes should be able to make money off of their name/brand from outside sources if they are able to.

Like you said, it was wrong for shoe companies to be bidding on recruits with the way the system is currently set up, and those involved deserve what's coming to them.  But in principle, I don't have a problem with high-level athletes receiving money from outside businesses.  I'd like to see a system set up that allows athletes to receive that kind of money above the board.

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12 hours ago, 5fouls said:

Everyone seems convinced that Pitino has to have known what his assistant was doing in regards to the $100,000.

Likewise, everyone seems to think Bruce Pearl deserves whatever comes his way.

So, are we ready to form the same conclusions with Sean Miller in regards to what Arizona assistant Book Richardson is charged with?

Absolutely, I don't believe in guilt merely by association but I have no patience for the John Wooden excuse at all. The head coach is ultimately responsible for their program and it is their job to know what the assistants are up to. 

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Just now, IU Scott said:

If these kids are smart they can have a lot of extra money form their scholarship.  I stated before my daughter received a scholarship from IU for the total cost of attendance plus FASFA and other scholarships.  This year she got an apartment and all the cost that went to the dorm went directly to here and the check she got for the first semester is enough to pay for the whole years worth of rent. Also it was enough to pay for her monthly care payment. these athletes should have plenty of money left over for whatever they want.

The point is while those benefits may have matched your daughter's value to the university, with all do respect, she doesn't have tens of thousands of fans tuning into watch her study or play sports (or whatever she got her scholarship for). No doubt you should be proud of her, but this is not an apples to apples comparison. Business Insider valued college basketball players at big time universities at $1.5 million/year. http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-player-value-2015-3 

Even if that is a high projection they're worth way more that their scholarship covers. 

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8 minutes ago, FW_Hoosier said:

I don't think that schools should pay athletes for all the logistical reasons mentioned.  But I do think athletes should be able to make money off of their name/brand from outside sources if they are able to.

Like you said, it was wrong for shoe companies to be bidding on recruits with the way the system is currently set up, and those involved deserve what's coming to them.  But in principle, I don't have a problem with high-level athletes receiving money from outside businesses.  I'd like to see a system set up that allows athletes to receive that kind of money above the board.

I'm completely fine with that. 

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Just now, HoosierJax said:

Question is would anybody want to get involved with him if he did.

IF he did, he wouldnt be eligible would he? or since he hasnt enrolled yet, hes still open to being recruited? 

I was under the impression once someone took money they were no longer considered amateur 

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Just now, tdhoosier said:

The point is while those benefits may have matched your daughter's value to the university, with all do respect, she doesn't have tens of thousands of fans tuning into watch her study or play sports (or whatever she got her scholarship for). No doubt you should be proud of her, but this is not an apples to apples comparison. Business Insider valued college basketball players at big time universities at $1.5 million/year. http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-player-value-2015-3 

Even if that is a high projection they're worth way more that their scholarship covers. 

I am just saying that I never bought these players saying they are starving when they can have all of this money.  I think they are already getting paid quit well if you ask me.  The total cost of attendance to IU is 24,900 plus all the pother benefits they get like training facilities plus medical treatment.  How many college students get paid this much each year.  They also get all of this free advertising every game they are on tv to show case their talents.

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