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Yes, people need to realize that advanced analytics aren’t just hearsay. Follow the analytics, and you will find success.

Hey Bob…. Now that the program is ruined, you got anything to say?

Just wanted to come back to say I was right. Numbers do matter. Thanks for not getting riled up to do anything about it.

Absolutely no speculation. All fact. Facts based on stats that have a direct correlation with success.

That’s such a %#%% myth it’s incredible. Look at Julius Randle on the Knicks. The only player in NBA history to shoot below 30% from the 3 point line his entire career, then turn it around to shoot above 41% as soon as he had Mike Woodson as an assistant for over a year. Coincidence? Absolutely not. Riddle me how Trayce magically starting shooting better this year??? You think some magic thing just happened? He was “reborn”? People on this board are idiots.

I have no clue what fantasy world you live in that says Indiana can’t be a true player in the CFB world. It’s all about changing mentality and what we’re willing to accept. We have the resources.

Indiana University had the 2nd largest living alumni base and should have no problem getting this money. The idea that LSU can pay $100M for a coach and $1M+ for coordinators, but we can’t cough up $1-$2M for a good coordinator is ridiculous.

Agreed on the talent piece. It’s also perception. Right now we’re a few levels above what we were when Lynch had the job in the late 2000s. Don’t want to get back to that point.

LOL - coaches coach shooting. You have to practice getting the right arc on the ball to produce shot make % angles. You have to be able to do that well from a point of exhaustion. You think that shooting isn’t coached!? Guess again

Lot of good points there - except did you read my post about IUBB under Archie. A lot of great talent with no good coach. The result was failure. Utter failure. Now with Woodson… crazy how the team has already turned around.

I’ve called the athletic office. I’ve emailed the athletic office. I am trying to get others to do the same. The prior 2 years were the best two for IU football in the past 25 years, and it took us 10 years from Wilson -> Allen to get there. I’m not waiting another 10 years for this program to be fixed because we gave an unproven guy “a chance” and had to clean house.

Let me give you a great example where everyone tried to blame the players for poor play: IUBB. People were starting to say that we didn’t have any talent, or that we didn’t have any shooters on the team. That we were unathletic. That we needed to keep recruiting better kids. But the thing is: you don’t have three 5-star, five 4-star, and five 3-star kids all under Archie’s tenure, (some of whom were deemed to be sharp shooters in high school), suddenly turn to garbage. That was all coaching. Now with the right coaching hire in Woodson - all shooting numbers are starting to climb again. Including free throw % (FINALLY) and 3 point%. The crazy part about the Woodson hire? That there were ACTUALLY ADVANCED STATISTICS to prove that he was going to be a good head coach, including the percentage improvements that almost all NBA All stars he coached made while he was an assistant on that all star’s team. Now lets translate to IU Football. We currently have the most talent on the team that we have ever had, and the greatest incoming class that we have ever had. We saw what an incompetent coach can do with a talented IU team this year, and now everyone wants to vote in the same type of person to manage that talent?? Absolutely mind numbing to me.

I don’t know how many times I have to say this. We have 8 straight years of data with him at HC or OC dating back to Arkansas st and his numbers have never been good. He cannot run an efficient offense, and he never has. Let me say the word again: Efficiency. Efficiency. Efficiency. If your offense is not efficient, you will not win games. Period. I’ve posted his efficiency numbers several times, but no one wants to use that as a future indicator of success even though it has DICTATED *most* of his coaching moves. Maryland - bad O - fired. FSU / Taggart - bad O - fired. UMASS - bad O - fired. How has failure not followed him? Some guys are the lucky sperm that have moderate success at one coaching job and can ride that to bigger names their entire career - aka Walt Bell. And for you numbskulls out there : COACHING BEATS TALENT 9 TIMES OUTTA 10. Even using Alabama, despite the terrible comparison point that it is: do you think the top talent isn’t coming to Bama if Saban isn’t a good coach? Even when they didn’t have talent in his early years at Bama, he still out coached everyone in the SEC west to make that team what it is today!! Coaching is what makes the Baylor the cyclical team that it is. Does talent help?! Absolutely! But the talent will go nowhere further if you have a Sheridan there to coach that talent for 4 years.

If failure follows Bell wherever he goes, why should we not expect the same? Allen relies on “who do I know?” so much more than “who is best”? As has been the case with more of his hires. Allen may know what’s on the line, but that has never stopped him from staying inside the box. I will follow up your comment about recruiting with this: It doesn’t matter who you recruit if coaching stinks. Coaching beats talent 9 times out of 10 at the college level, and you can see that in the regression of all of our QBs this year. A lot of good habits / mechanics with DeBoer carried over from 2019 into the 2020 season, but those habits started to disappear towards the Wisconsin game at the end. It was tough to realize at first, but it became clear over the course of this season that there was a downward trend in play. Penix playing bad was one thing, but all QBs playing bad is entirely another. These poor kids couldn’t even make proper reads at the line or work through pass progressions. That’s not on them, especially in McCulley’s case, as he is an incredibly talented QB. That’s all on Sheridan. A good OC can fix them like DeBoer fixed Ramsey. Unfortunately, the guy to fix them is a man with a terrible track record.

False. As a head coach (2 years) Deboers offenses finished 67th last year in offensive efficiency, and 44th this year.

I mean I don’t get what’s funny. This is still a terrible hire if it goes through.

Lol - no it’s not. Efficiency is one of the best ways to judge the effectiveness of a coach. If you don’t believe me, look at Kane Wommack last year - who had a defense ranked 4th in efficiency.

Hopefully that means there is some good news!

Why give this guy a chance to destroy the program?? Why “see what he’s got”? Next year is a make or break year, and we don't have time to play around and give previously mediocre coaches a chance. We have all of the other pieces we need to be successful, but if Bell is our OC, we will most likely fail (I’ve posted his numbers below) with our schedule and Allen will be fired if next season is like this one. We would go back to where we were over a decade ago: no belief, no recruits, no good coaches, and no identity. I’m not sitting around another 10 years to get back to where we are now just because everyone wanted to give a mediocre hire a chance. Time is of the essence, and he is not an official hire [yet]. If he becomes official, then sure, I’ll cave. For now though, everyone needs to read the information and speak up. I’m going to post the same thing here that I did over at BTB. ““He is bad… here’s the best possible information that’s available (and really the only number you need to look at). His offensive efficiency numbers by year and team: 2014 - OC - Arkansas St 76th 2015 - OC - Arkansas St 78th 2016 - OC - Maryland 68th 2017- OC - Maryland 70th 2018 - OC - FSU 106th 2019 - HC - UMASS - 128th 2020 - HC - UMASS - 126th 2021 - HC - UMASS - 127th For reference, Coach Sheridan sat 104th in efficiency this year. For further comparison, here are the offensive efficiency numbers (from good years) at IU previously: DeBoer: 2019 - 17th  Wilson / Kevin Johns / Seth Littrel: 2016 - 53rd 2015 - 27th 2014 - 71st 2013 - 20th 2012 - 49th  The numbers from former IU coaches are the numbers we know we need to compete in the B1G, and Bell is nowhere near them. I know Bell did great things with the rushing game at Maryland, or the passing game at FSU (think they finished top 2 in ACC that year), but his offenses still stunk. You can have all the stats that you want, but if your offense isn’t efficient, can't convert on 3rd down, stay on the field, win the turnover battle, or score when needed, then what good are stats?? Hopefully something changes in the next (24 hours!)”” I will also say this: there are not three people I could think of for this role. There are about 12-15, including Seth Littrel OR even Kevin Johns. This is just a flat out bad hire if it goes through.