Bushmage

Absolutely. I get he's filling unfamiliar shoes but that was one of the most unprepared performances I've ever seen. With frustratingly obvious holes that we could simply fix with better rotations and knowing Trayce needs to touch the ball on offense. He was horrible. We almost lost to a team with 6 scholarship players on an already bad team. I'm obviously thankful for a win but that was inexcusably bad.

WIthout hyperbole, that was the worst coached Indiana Hoosiers basketball game I have ever watched in my life. Unexplainable disappearances for Geronimo and Malik. Keeping Race in despite him being absolutely horrendous. Forgetting we have a NPOY candidate big man for large stretches of the game. I could go on forever. We won despite Yasir Rosemond. He should never coach a basketball game again in his life.

They are letting Race play because his family’s there and it’s honestly such a losing move. This coaching staff should never be a head coach in any capacity

This is one of the worst coaching performances I have ever seen in college basketball

Back to back 5 point games from Miller “Give me your address” Kopp

But the university helps manage what NIL deals come through plus there’s no NIL deal if you’re not enrolled at the school playing for their program. It’s an interesting space

It’s insane to me a harmless meme makes several players start arguing on social media and we still have to talk about toxic fans. Nobody is being toxic in this scenario except the players. Fans are allowed to share memes and talk about being disappointed. the fact that we are so ready to self flagellate all the time is a component of what fuels this whole cycle. You tell these players they are victims so often and they will believe it.

and to be clear i dont support harassing players on social media but this was a completely harmless (and recently appropriate) MEME that didnt specifically call anyone out. its absolutely hilarious how easy it is to break these kids.

let them post all they want. this season is largely over through injuries anyway, but it would be nice to let the losers expose themselves for their complete lack of mental fortitude on their way out. miller kopp scored 5 points against his former team at home as an upperclass starter and then goes and posts a "you wouldnt say that to me in real life!!" type comment lmao. nobody should remember this kid fondly.

Schifino is better than any freshman IU has had in a long time.

The context I have is that in one scenario a player misses a curfew and in the other the same player has a felony on the table. Of course I don't think he's going to be convicted of the felony. It doesn't mean he didn't do exactly what we're told he did. Negotiating it down to a misdemeanor will be a part of his court process. I have no control or relevance to how the court handles this. What I do know is we set an extremely high standard for players to follow, everyone celebrated the punishments handed out when a rule was broken because mike "took charge", and now that something legitimately serious is on the table everyone seems to be wishy washy on what to do. Xavier has to be kicked off the team or significantly suspended, or we have to admit morals and rules don't actually mean anything as they are handed out on a case by case basis dependent upon how much we can afford to actually give up. To reiterate, I don't want him kicked off the team. I just also don't want to hear about how moral and righteous we are either. We seem to hear a lot of that when the stakes are low, and not so much now.

40 in a 30 is no longer felony reckless driving. So you're describing an entirely different situation with the law now.

We'll see. If he had a lot of off season work that coupled with a suspension I'm fine with that. But my point remains if we are giving 1 game suspensions for missing curfew then I dont see how we ever have anything less than zero tolerance for felonies. We used to kick people out for weed, right? If X comes back in any fashion, we are clearly just guessing what punishments should be each and every time. Which, again, is fine. But for the love of God spare me the talk about morals and doing whats right. It's not the first priority at IU, it shouldnt be the first priority, and we should collectively stop pretending it matters to anyone. I wouldnt be fired up about this much at all if we hadnt created such a show over a curfew. Be consistent or spare us the morals.

Missing curfew and felony reckless driving should not, in any scenario, have the same degree of punishment. If he gets a 1 game suspension over this I never wanna hear about morals at IU ever again lol.

I mean, you'd get a negligent discharge case and would absolutely be in trouble for that if the authorities found you. And that's also inside your own home, X was out in public on the streets where other people are entitled to be. This isn't just arguing hypotheticals, its examining the risks involved that made his actions illegal in the first place.

walnut is a tight, very urban street that people are crossing constantly. We should not have to "speculate" on if anyone could have been hurt or we should treat this different because nobody was hurt. The fact is he is very lucky he didnt instantly kill someone, and just because he didnt doesnt mean a thing to me. Again, I dont want him off the team and I ultimately dont care about this as it relates to the program. But I want this to be the wakeup call to all the people who loved the curfew suspensions and mike "taking the program reins back" that at the end of the day college sports is as moral as they can afford to be in any given situation without sacricifing anything that gets them closer to winning, and we should stop pretending we actually care too.

I also don't know why there is such a mystique around what actually happened. There is a fear to say whether or not he put lives in danger and we dont know what happened. Have you ever done 90mph? Ever seen walnut? I dont need to know the rest of the details at this point. And I can very much make a comment on it like anybody else can. The real answer needed is should we care. I say no, because deep down we all really don't. He's here to compete and win for us and his personal life is not our concern. He has fine parents and if he's not listening to them then he will have to learn on his own what its like to fail yourself. It's not our job as a basketball program to make sure X understands reckless driving is bad. Since we made such a grandstanding over curfew, I do feel like we've cornered ourselves into a position where if we want to have any sort of moral consistency then X must leave the program. But, the fact is he's a key player for us and we need him, and so we all know that isn't going to happen. If it did, I'd actually be impressed we kept that kind of consistency. But if/when we don't, we should all just drop the charade of caring about morals in college sports. Because this is a pretty obvious example of bending the framework to fit what we want most.

I agree with most of this actually. I'm just pretty annoyed all the morally righteous people who blanketly accepted a suspension over a curfew are now finding ways to defend X and treat this as something to work through and fix. You aren't doing that, of course. I'm not saying its you. But it feels like a lot of people were very happy with the precedent we set on breaking rules a couple months ago. Now that a felony is on the table and we could lose (and should lose, based on our own 'standards' we proudly demonstrated in the year) a key player for next year it seems like the righteousness has faded a little bit. Almost like we should never pretend to have this morality about college sports in the first place.

If X isn’t at the very least suspended for a significant amount of time then I never want to hear support for throwing away a conference game over a missed curfew. We set a pretty strict precedent with rule breaking and now a felony is on the table. Let’s see them walk the walk now.

I will be golfing at the peegs outing if any of this needs to be settled in who can slice the hardest

Nothing. I dont know any of these people. When someone is fired for a personal fit theres the programs truth Danes truth and the actual truth. We cant know what actually happened because we werent there. Thats why i repeat so much that letting any of this out was a mistake.

And again you would understand why I have to take it with a grain of salt. This isnt a fair way of assessing someone else's job.

You have to understand I can only trust info like this so far. If you know, then I guess you know. The rest of us...dont. I'm not even sure what you're alluding to when you say stuff like this.

problem is we just cant definitively say who deserves what %. Did mike sour this relationship and we're getting secondhand info to better deflect this onto Dane? Is Dane really that much of an asshole? You speak pretty confidently about this but we're just two dudes bored on a message board. All I know concretely about Dane is he's been a good coach in his career and many people respect him a great deal. I'm disappointed in him for sure because he obviously did SOMETHING, but i should never even have a clue what that was when its a personal fit. It's just not our business and it feels like the program kinda made it our business so we could all corral into the camp that Dane is for sure the problem. I'm not sold on that this early into the CMW era. I understand Peegs came out with the info we all read but at the end of the day I'm holding IU responsible for that kind of leak. That's not acceptable. And what we can 100% blame IU for is clarifying how he doesnt fit issue because thats on Mike. That was not necessary whatsoever. Let him go and move on. We dont need the details and usually never get them otherwise. Only reason I see us getting it now is so they get out ahead of the news to look better. Not a fan.

Even if 100% of everything in this thread about Dane was true I would still not sit here and tell you he deserved to have this aired to the public and his name be dragged. I think you disagree and enjoy seeing this happen to him. Do you.