Bustout

6 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

I thought with baseball if the player chose to go to school they had to be there for 3 years before entering the draft. Is that no longer the case?

Pretty sure that’s still the case.  If you play D1 baseball, you can’t get drafted until after junior year.  
 

I believe you can get drafted though after two years at a JUCO. Not sure about D2, D3, etc. 

8 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

Uh, isn't 4-4 ahead of 4-5 or is CBS just stupid?

CBS error. 

7 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

I could see IU going after a guard transfer this year. Rob will be a senior next year and it’d be nice to have someone besides Lander ready to help. I think Parker Stewart can basically be a better version of Al but he and Armaan will most likely run out of eligibility at the same time. 

Will definitely be interesting with all the guys having an extra year too due to Covid 

22 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Franklin will be a senior by the time Gunn. Gets to campus 

And by then a mega elite stud

9 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

The thing is next year I think Leal is our deadly shooter... plus we have Stewart who can also shoot em... we need a guy who is just a complete stud at driving and it will open up the 3s for Leal and Stewart and evening RP.

His name is Armaan Franklin

23 minutes ago, Billingsley99 said:

Lot to make up from the 21 class. The talent is out there both in and out of state. Hopefully Gunn will start a positive domino fall for our recruiting. 

Part of the 21 class was made up with Stewart.  I’m sure they’ll consider one more transfer too.   And hopefully Brunk comes back. 

1 hour ago, IUFLA said:

I think he'll be a good start to the 22 class...

But Jalen Washington is the one we need...

Does IU have a good shot at both?

1 hour ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

It's not simply three-point shooting. In the Neb game Neb sagged off guys like Galloway and Race, and then, as planned, got out running on the break off the long misses. They also spread out their offense on the other end. Teams are beating the pack line not by just hoisting 3's, but by going 4 or 5-out which spreads out the pack line and opens lanes. Hell I learned that coaching youth basketball, it's a traditional way to play against the pack line, in youth basketball it's touted as positionless ball to help teach all players how to move the ball on offense. This isn't a criticism of the pack line, Bennet, Sean Miller et al run it, it's just that the way the players extend/move within the pack line to adjust to spread offenses is something they have to adjust to.

In your opinion, what is the best defense?   What would you run with this IU team?

10 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

I watched the whole Mich/Wisc game last night.  It was a good game right up until the 10 minute mark.  Then the wheel just disappeared from Wisc.  Michigan started dropping 3s, got Wisconsin's big with 2 fouls, the coach took him out and Michigan upped the defense and just laid it on.  The 40-6 run was like watching a car wreck in slow motion.  Each shot on each end just expanded the gap and you couldn't believe Wisconsin didn't take more timeouts or change up the line up or put their big back in.  Nope, just watched his team get murdered on live TV.

They are really good but they are not going to shoot like that every night.  But i will say this, if you leave their outside shooters open, they will bury you very quickly.  Wisconsin couldn't guard to save their lives on the perimeter and it was their undoing.

That’s how NW beat IU, PSU came close, and Neb was in it until the end.  The 3 ball.  
 

Is that an inherent issue with the pack-like D?  
 

From an offensive perspective, it can be risky to live and die by the 3, but for some reason, teams that play that way always seem to execute vs IU. 

12 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

Very scary. It can be fatal in athletes. Considering they put him in a medically induced coma, he must not have been doing very well the first few days. I hope he makes a complete recovery.

It’s just so crazy that a virus can lead some people to show zero symptoms or something like this or God forbid be the cause of death.   I’m so happy some people are getting screening and it’s leading to finding other major issues. 

10 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

Florida's Johnson released from hospital. Apparently it was myocarditis which caused him to collapse. It's been confirmedhe was one of the Florida players who caught COVID over the summer and COVID can cause that. There is no confirmation whether his condition was related to COVID, though.

The Big Ten has more cardiac protocols in place than the SEC does, so hopefully any players who get COVID will be more protected.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2020/12/24/college-basketball-seeks-answers-keyontae-johnson-heart-condition/4040170001/

Jesus.  Glad he’s recovering.   Scary

Would people/fans want Scott Drew?

18 hours ago, go_iu_bb said:

If he had still reclassified but committed to another school I would've talked about how we missed on him last year. Since he was a 2020 recruit and all. But IU did land him and it made their recruiting class of 2020 even better. 

Maybe we should go ahead and award Lander as the 2021 Mr Basketball.

But keep telling yourself whatever you need to to keep from having to face the reality that the 2021 recruiting class has been disappointing.

The 2021 class may be disappointing, but it’s not because they missed out on TK.  Stewart, Logan and if they add another transfer will be solid.  And they already have the best kid from that class on campus.    It’s not like IU lost lebron and Jordan to Purdue. 

2 hours ago, go_iu_bb said:

Reclassifying means he changed his class so he was no longer a 2021 recruit. How can he possibly be a 2021 recruit when he's playing college in 2020?

What if it was the reversed and instead of being a very good student who was able to graduate a year early he was a poor student so went to prep evil and reclassified to 2022? Should you still try to count him as a 2021 recruit?

What if he skipped a year while in elementary  or middle school instead of skipping his senior year of HS? Is he still a 2021 recruit instead of 2020?

It's where the player finishes that determines which class he is considered to be a part of, nor where he starts.

After reclassifying he was still the top recruit from Indiana in 2020.

He was still a 2021 recruit. He decided to enroll early, but you can’t say IU whiffed on the state when they got the best player from the class - in the state. He happened to come on campus early - but he’s part of the class.  
 

Also, had IU not landed Lander, People like you would be saying how much they whiffed on guys.   Can’t have it both ways.  IU got the best recruit in the 21 class.  Bottom line.  
 

While in the context of semantics, he ended up enrolling early from the 2021 class.

 In the context of IU whiffed on in-state players in 2021, it’s just factually incorrect. 

Just now, Bob said:

I am no recruiting guru, but I think everyone gets a little carried away with 5 star 4 star stuff. There are a lot of great basketball players out there. Every year in the NCAA tournament it gets proven. Schools you hardly heard of Put a team on the floor that can flat out play.

I just have to trust that our coaches know what we need and they got several kids that can fill those spots on there recutting list. If they miss you go after another till you get the best you can. 
we win our share of in State recruits, but we are not going to get them all. We will even lose some we really wanted but that’s life. Go get the next kid and let’s play ball. 

agree. Case in point - Franklin was a 3*

23 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

False.

The best player who graduated in 2020 after reclassifying is on IU's roster.

He was a 2020 recruit. There are no 2021 Indiana recruits on IU's roster.

“After reclassifying”.  
 

IU recruited the 2021 class.  Got the best player.   

8 minutes ago, Blazin Hazin said:

I think anyone not concerned with this recruiting class is being a bit pollyannish.  We were expecting a class of 3-4, we have 1.  We missed on a very good recruit from southern Indiana to Purdue.  He plays a position we need, he would have been a perfect fit, and we lost him to Purdue.  We continually missed on others too. 

There's always a chance to correct basketball recruiting whiffs through transfers. And we'll see if a lot of guys stay because of the covid situation.  

But let's be clear, unless something changes, this class probably missed worse than any other in Archie's tenure.  I highly doubt he would choose Parker Stewart over jordan Longino, trey Kaufman, Mason Miller, blake Wessley, or Aminu Muhammad. 

  

IU has two - have to include Stewart. And I think a 3pt shooter with experience and a high IQ ... I actually think that’s preferred over some of the guys listed. 

14 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

 

Lander is from Indiana but reclassified to 2020. At that point he was no longer a 2021 recruit, otherwise he'd still be in HS instead of playing for IU this year. That's how reclassifying works.

 True or false: IU has one HS senior committed to play for IU next year.

True or false: That player is not Lander and is also not from Indiana.

True or false: IU has 0 current Indiana seniors committed to play for IU next year.

True or false: Purdue has commitments from Kaufman and Furst.

True or false: Kaufman and Furst are the highest ranked current Indiana HS seniors.

All true. 
 

true or False, the best player from the class you keep referencing is on IUs roster?

you can’t have one without the other.  Purdue got two guys from the state.  IU got the best one from the state and a guy from Ohio who is better than one of the Indiana kids.   

5 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

This year it's true.

Is Lander from Indiana?

2 hours ago, go_iu_bb said:

Kaufman and Furst are the best recruits in the state this year. IU lost them to Purdue and actually has 0 Indiana recruits this season. Lander was last year, TJD was the year before, and Romeo the year before that. The post being replied to said "since when?" Since this season with Kaufman and Furst is the answer to that. Not super complicated. Recognizing that Purdue did a better job of recruiting the state this year didn't diminish what IU did the previous 3 years but refusing to acknowledge it seems petty.

Lander was the best recruit this year.  A 5* All American. And IU got him and got him in the program a year early.  
 

we all know if Lander did this at another school, people would be saying “IU missed out on Lander”.  
 

Everyone knows IU lost out on two guys this year, but they also got one early - the best one.  That has to be acknowledged. Because if they didn’t, it would be used against them. Not complicated.  
 

30 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

Maybe read the post that was being responded to.

Yeah. Said we lost out to Purdue on the best recruits.   Was the part about Phin, Romeo, TJD and Lander typed in Invisible font?

2 hours ago, Bowhunter said:

Furst and Kaufman 

So let’s just gloss over Phin, Romeo, TJD and Lander?

43 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

We need a stud big man to replace TJD when he goes if we want to compete at a high level. It’s a shame we are losing out on the best Indiana recruits to Purdue.  2022 needs to be a solid class. Seems like we have a bunch of good kids now, lots of good role players. This team could really use another highly talented player to match what these other teams are putting on the court. I like good defense, but scoring points makes everything easier. 

Logan, maybe Brunk, and a transfer will suffice.  Doesn’t have to be a mega stud - just serviceable IMO.  
 

getting Parker is solid and can help offset the MM/TK loss. 

9 hours ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Ugly game

First half was brutal. Both teams were rushing and trying to run 100 yard dashes.   Once everything settled in the second half, it looked like a normal b-ball game and was great to watch illini get beaten.  
 

Cockburn is average. His size alone makes him effective for college, but I don’t see how he’ll ever play in the NBA.  His shoes are filled with cement. 
 

IU will match up well with them.  They play 4 guards.  IU can play two big men and expose them down low. But key will be guarding the perimeter, which to this point, Franklin and Rob have been solid at that. 

26 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Impressive 

I’m just following the box score.  Is UNC hitting long jumpers (1-8 from three) or are they scoring in transition and/or inside?