hoosiertildeath Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 I finally found another needle in the old haystack ,vbg !! The Bears went 18 & 17 last season !! They return a 7'0" Sophomore center who averaged 8.7 points per game last season as a Freshman and another 7'0" backup center ! Other size======= 6'9" Freshman , 6'7" Freshman , 6'7" Freshman , 6'8" Sophomore , 6'7" Junior , 6'8" Junior and they have a SENIOR guard 6'5" Thatch Unruh who also averaged 8.7 points per game last season !! They also have a 5'11" Returning point guard , Deandre Jones , who averaged 6.1" points as a FRESHMAN last season !! This will be an interesting matchup for The Hoosiers ,lmho !! P .S. Central Arkansas played in last season's CBI Tournament , winning their first game by a score of 92 to 90 before losing to a Jacksonville State team that finished 23 & 12 last season !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 The Head Coach at Central Arkansas , Russ Pennell , said that Indiana University would be the BEST team his bears will play all season !! I'm loving it !! Go Hoosiers !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Another cupcake. This team is so bad, sports-reference only showed their record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Here is a list of road games Central Arkansas will play in 2018 - 2019 Nov 6 at Missouri ,Nov. 15 at Pittsburgh , Dec. 5 at Louisville , Dec 16 at New Mexico , Dec. 19 at IU , and Dec 21 at Oklahoma State !! Last season they played at Baylor , UCLA , California , and Oregon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Last season Central Arkansas only lost at UCLA by a score of 106 to 101 ! They only lost by 2 points at San Fransisco and they beat California 96 to 69 !! Not so much a "cupcake" after all , imho !!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted August 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Go Hoosiers !!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 In it's history, Central Arkansas has produced a more accomplished basketball player than Indiana. Scottie Pippen, class of 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 8 hours ago, 5fouls said: In it's history, Central Arkansas has produced a more accomplished basketball player than Indiana. Scottie Pippen, class of 1987. I looked up Scottie's stats after HTD's op. He must have had some injury issues but other than his frosh year he was something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 hours ago, 5fouls said: In it's history, Central Arkansas has produced a more accomplished basketball player than Indiana. Scottie Pippen, class of 1987. Hmmm NCAA Titles Pippen - 0 Isaiah - 1 NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player Pippen - 0 Isaiah - 1 All-American Pippen - 1 (NAIA) Isaiah - 1 College Basketball Hall of Fame Pippen - 0 Isaiah - 1 NBA Titles Pippen - 6 Isaiah - 2 Finals MVPs Pippen - 0 Isaiah - 1 All Stars Pippen - 7 Isaiah - 12 All Star Game MVPs Pippen - 1 Isaiah - 2 All-NBA First Teams Pippen - 3 Isaiah - 3 All-NBA Second Teams Pippen - 2 Isaiah - 2 All-NBA Third Teams Pippen - 2 Isaiah - 0 All-Rookie NBA Teams Pippen - 0 Isaiah - 1 All-Defensive 1st Team Pippen - 8 Isaiah - 0 All-Defensive 2nd Team Pippen - 2 Isaiah - 0 Points Pippen - 18,940 (16.1 ppg) Isaiah - 18,822 (19.2 ppg) Rebounds Pippen - 7,494 (6.4 rpg) Isaiah - 3,478 (3.6 rpg) Assists Pippen - 6,135 (5.2 apg) Isaiah - 9,061 (9.3 apg) Olympic Gold Medals Pippen - 2 Isaiah - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted August 10, 2018 Report Share Posted August 10, 2018 Um, yeah, I Thomas is widely considered in the top 3 point guards in NBA history. Pippen more accomplished? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 Zeke never got his shot at the Olympics as we boycotted in 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 6 hours ago, rico said: Zeke never got his shot at the Olympics as we boycotted in 1980. He should have won gold with either of the Dream Teams (specifically forced off the first one) and then was hurt when the second one played. I agree was rather unfortunate that didn't work out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 11, 2018 Report Share Posted August 11, 2018 19 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Um, yeah, I Thomas is widely considered in the top 3 point guards in NBA history. Pippen more accomplished? No. Based on DJ's post, Zeke obviously has the edge in college achievements, but you may want to look again at the professional and international stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosiertildeath Posted August 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Although the Chicago Bulls had BOTH Michael Jordan AND Scottie Pippen , it wasn't until the Bulls acquired Crazy Dennis Rodman from the Detroit Pistons that the Bulls won those last 3 NBA Titles ( of the 6)!! P.S The first season that Rodman joined the Bulls the Bulls went 72 & 10 with Rodman averaging 14.9 REBOUNDS PER GAME ! Then , with Rodman , The Bulls won 69 games the next season ! Rodman helped the Bulls win 3 STRAIGHT NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS and he led the NBA in REBOUNDING for SEVEN straight seasons ! Rodman finished his NBA Career with More Career REBOUNDS than "The Admiral" David Robinson !!!!! Jordan and Pippen were both really good players but they needed "Crazy" Dennis Rodman grabbing those REBOUNDS ,baby [imho]!!😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 22 hours ago, 5fouls said: Based on DJ's post, Zeke obviously has the edge in college achievements, but you may want to look again at the professional and international stats. Um, you may want to re-read those yourself Fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 23 hours ago, 5fouls said: Based on DJ's post, Zeke obviously has the edge in college achievements, but you may want to look again at the professional and international stats. Those international stats mean nothing to me. Isiah should have two golds himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 10 hours ago, hoosiertildeath said: Although the Chicago Bulls had BOTH Michael Jordan AND Scottie Pippen , it wasn't until the Bulls acquired Crazy Dennis Rodman from the Detroit Pistons that the Bulls won those last 3 NBA Titles ( of the 6)!! P.S The first season that Rodman joined the Bulls the Bulls went 72 & 10 with Rodman averaging 14.9 REBOUNDS PER GAME ! Then , with Rodman , The Bulls won 69 games the next season ! Rodman helped the Bulls win 3 STRAIGHT NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS and he led the NBA in REBOUNDING for SEVEN straight seasons ! Rodman finished his NBA Career with More Career REBOUNDS than "The Admiral" David Robinson !!!!! Jordan and Pippen were both really good players but they needed "Crazy" Dennis Rodman grabbing those REBOUNDS ,baby [imho]!!😀 So how did they win the first 3 without Rodman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Um, you may want to re-read those yourself Fouls. Yep. If you add everything together to make points, rebounds, and assists one stat, Pippen has more. And, in the non-collegiate 'all-something tallies', I'm counting 33 for Pippen and 23 for Zeke. So, your point is.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, 5fouls said: Yep. If you add everything together to make points, rebounds, and assists one stat, Pippen has more. And, in the non-collegiate 'all-something tallies', I'm counting 33 for Pippen and 23 for Zeke. So, your point is.......? Lol at your calculations Fouls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Lol at your calculations Fouls Enlighten me on exactly why you think that Zeke's career outshines Pippen's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Pippen had a longer career than Zeke, so we won't hold Zeke's 37.5 career VORP against Pippen's 69.6. But, I do think career PER and Win Shares per 48 minutes are fair game. Career PER Pippen - 18.6 Zeke - 18.1 Career Win Shares per 48 minutes Pippen - .146 Zeke - .109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, 5fouls said: Pippen had a longer career than Zeke, so we won't hold Zeke's 37.5 career VORP against Pippen's 69.6. But, I do think career PER and Win Shares per 48 minutes are fair game. Career PER Pippen - 18.6 Zeke - 18.1 Career Win Shares per 48 minutes Pippen - .146 Zeke - .109 I couldn't care less about those made up stats but go by what I see when I watched players play. To me IT was the best player on his team and was the reason those teams won those championships. Pippen was the second fiddle on his teams and it was easier for him to play off of Jordan. When Pippen did not play with Jordan he never won a championship where IY lead his team to 2 championships with another finals appearance. I think some just use these stats to make judgements without actually thinking for themselves and not make your own judgements by actually watching the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Made up stats? Last I checked math and stats are factual. Sure, stats do not tell the whole story, but that's a different argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGleas Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 It’s an interesting conversation. Clearly both IT and Pippen are HOF, historic players. Pippen has some advantages with 6titles, defensive accolades and international, but with that said I personally view IT as a leader of championship teams where Pippen is more a complimentary player in that regard. I view Pippen more in the vein of guys like McHale and Worthy, again HOF’ers and great players, but where is McHale without Bird, Worthy without Magic/Kareem and Pippen without Jordan? While IT certainly played with other great players, the Pistons were his teams. He was the unquestioned leader of two title teams. IMO, that gives him the edge on Pippen historically. But, when we get to discussing guys as great as IT and Pippen it’s really splitting hairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, PoHoosier said: Made up stats? Last I checked math and stats are factual. Sure, stats do not tell the whole story, but that's a different argument. Made up for basketball because for years we did just fine with pts per game, rebs per game, assist per game. I couldn't care less about war or points per possession or any of the new metrics evented by nerds who probably never played the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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