IU Scott Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26808266/ucla-hires-michael-lewis-assistant-coach Former IU player Michael Lewis was hired as an assistant coach at UCLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 All the best for Coach Lewis. And then there is this : Pac-12 puts restrictions on nonconference basketball scheduling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Nice, good to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunkinDipo Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I really hope we reach out to Lewis as soon as we have an opening for an assistant. I wish him well in the meantime and I think he'll do a great job at UCLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I would have liked him at Indiana. Would be a real benefit for recruiting in Indiana. I think anywho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cutter said: I would have liked him at Indiana. Would be a real benefit for recruiting in Indiana. I think anywho Who knows who Michael Lewis is these days? Besides that, those IU teams he played on were the downfall of Knight. Not being harsh, but Mike was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, rico said: Who knows who Michael Lewis is these days? Besides that, those IU teams he played on were the downfall of Knight. Not being harsh, but Mike was there. He had a lot of positive things to say when a Nebraska was in town last year. Having spent some time at Butler I would think he is well connected in the state just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, Cutter said: He had a lot of positive things to say when a Nebraska was in town last year. Having spent some time at Butler I would think he is well connected in the state just my opinion Perhaps...perhaps not. I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I don’t think Archie needs help with in-state recruits. If he is authentic and puts in time with the better coaches of the state...when the coach of IU calls kids will sit up and listen. I’d rather have some connections through some other avenues. I think we all would like a connection to the Knight days but if we win games IU should have enough cache to get who they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, dgambill said: I don’t think Archie needs help with in-state recruits. If he is authentic and puts in time with the better coaches of the state...when the coach of IU calls kids will sit up and listen. I’d rather have some connections through some other avenues. I think we all would like a connection to the Knight days but if we win games IU should have enough cache to get who they want. I don’t know I think Calbert , Lewis , Guyton , Greg Graham would be good additions to an IU staff. I would like to see some of them get involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, rico said: Who knows who Michael Lewis is these days? Besides that, those IU teams he played on were the downfall of Knight. Not being harsh, but Mike was there. Knight was the downfall of Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Knight was the downfall of Knight Agreed, but Mike was right there with him...get my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm with Rico on this. Lewis may have relationships with area coaches, but is he a huge draw for the kids themselves? He wasn't well known outside of our fan base and didn't have an NBA career. If you want to say that Cheaney should have a role like that, I agree. And I could be dead wrong, but it's not an easy assumption that he would be a good recruiter in-state just because he is Michael Lewis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Zlinedavid said: I'm with Rico on this. Lewis may have relationships with area coaches, but is he a huge draw for the kids themselves? He wasn't well known outside of our fan base and didn't have an NBA career. If you want to say that Cheaney should have a role like that, I agree. And I could be dead wrong, but it's not an easy assumption that he would be a good recruiter in-state just because he is Michael Lewis. I don’t care if we have an nba guy on staff or not. I really don’t want any oad or players who only care about getting to the nba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 So UCLA hires a guy from Cincy, who hires an assistant with strong midwest roots.....to figure out the AAU circuit of Southern California? I wish Lewis the best. Always been a fan but I'm not sure this Cronin experiment is going to work well. You think our AAU coaches and high school basketball coaches are sensitive in Indiana? SoCal is similar if not worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, Cutter said: I don’t care if we have an nba guy on staff or not. I really don’t want any oad or players who only care about getting to the nba. Has nothing to do with OADs or "only" about getting to the NBA. Out of all High level recruits, 90%+ have aspirations of playing professionally at some point. Doesn't mean they also don't value education or enjoy playing in college. Having a somewhat younger coach that's had extensive pro experience gives them someone to connect with on that level. Someone who has been to where they want to be, and has been there recently. I completely agree with you on the point of not wanting coaches selling players on "I can get you to the league in one year." But having a coach that can say "I know what it takes to be a pro basketball player, and I can help you work on getting to that level." is valuable. Every kid Indiana recruits has pro aspirations. Hell, Juwan Morgan said that's been his objective since high school, and he fits most peoples definition of the "ideal" college player. Wanting to play professionally doesn't automatically mean a kid is going to be lazy/selfish/whatever. In most cases, it's those pro aspirations that motivate them. Having someone on staff who has done it is relateable, and helps form that connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Cutter said: oad or players who only care about getting to the nba. Question for the board. Are One and dones different than guys that want to get to the league at any cost, whether it be 2, 3, or 4 years? Some really love Thomas Bryant but even he told Juwan to hurry up and get to the league as fast as possible. But most really loathe Vonleh. Most love Romeo but from all accounts had even told the IU staff the plan from the get go was one and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: Question for the board. Are One and dones different than guys that want to get to the league at any cost, whether it be 2, 3, or 4 years? Some really love Thomas Bryant but even he told Juwan to hurry up and get to the league as fast as possible. But most really loathe Vonleh. Most love Romeo but from all accounts had even told the IU staff the plan from the get go was one and done. I don't want guys main focus being getting to the NBA as fast as they can. If by playing well in college they get the opportunity to go to the NBA that is what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, NotIThatLives said: Question for the board. Are One and dones different than guys that want to get to the league at any cost, whether it be 2, 3, or 4 years? Some really love Thomas Bryant but even he told Juwan to hurry up and get to the league as fast as possible. But most really loathe Vonleh. Most love Romeo but from all accounts had even told the IU staff the plan from the get go was one and done. I suspect Vonleh got bad press for shutting it down early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: I suspect Vonleh got bad press for shutting it down early. Yep, he bailed on the team and U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: Question for the board. Are One and dones different than guys that want to get to the league at any cost, whether it be 2, 3, or 4 years? Some really love Thomas Bryant but even he told Juwan to hurry up and get to the league as fast as possible. But most really loathe Vonleh. Most love Romeo but from all accounts had even told the IU staff the plan from the get go was one and done. Thomas Bryant may have had a eye on the NBA, but the young man genuinly cared about winning while he was at IU. He busted his ass competing for the Cream and Crimson. Noah Vonleh did not bust his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 Thanks for the responses. All valid and true. Don't we need future pro material to win at the highest level? Does it seem this board looks down upon those that don't fit their definition of college athlete? I always though CTC had the right idea, target heavily those that are ranked 25-75. He just wasn't able to put them all together and keep them balanced and healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said: Thanks for the responses. All valid and true. Don't we need future pro material to win at the highest level? Does it seem this board looks down upon those that don't fit their definition of college athlete? I always though CTC had the right idea, target heavily those that are ranked 25-75. He just wasn't able to put them all together and keep them balanced and healthy. I must have a reading problem because no one said anything about not needing talent to win. You asked about one and done type players who only is using college as a stepping stone. If a player comes here and works his butt of and leaves after 2 or 3 years because he got better then I am all for it. What I don't want are players who are only coming to college because they have to and don't give much effort and just is out to get his stats. Last time I checked that UVA and Villanova has more championships in the last 10 years than Duke and UK combine so I rather have their talent than the one and done style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 57 minutes ago, IU Scott said: I must have a reading problem because no one said anything about not needing talent to win. You asked about one and done type players who only is using college as a stepping stone. If a player comes here and works his butt of and leaves after 2 or 3 years because he got better then I am all for it. What I don't want are players who are only coming to college because they have to and don't give much effort and just is out to get his stats. Last time I checked that UVA and Villanova has more championships in the last 10 years than Duke and UK combine so I rather have their talent than the one and done style. I know you are not naive enough to think that these guys ranked 25-75 don't live, eat, sleep, drink basketball with the number 1 goal of getting to the NBA. Now that I stated the obvious, Virginia and Nova both have been stocking up those types of recruits. So why is it some are so hard on kids trying to go pro, whether they are good enough immediately, or it takes precious time on the college clock and dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted May 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, NotIThatLives said: I know you are not naive enough to think that these guys ranked 25-75 don't live, eat, sleep, drink basketball with the number 1 goal of getting to the NBA. Now that I stated the obvious, Virginia and Nova both have been stocking up those types of recruits. So why is it some are so hard on kids trying to go pro, whether they are good enough immediately, or it takes precious time on the college clock and dime. I just don't want one and done players on our team and if you look at all 3 that we had what good did they bring IU basketball. I hope they eat, drink and sleep basketball and if they play hard and focus on our team then there is no problem but I have seen to many one and done players in college that is only out for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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