IU Scott Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: No, it's not. I wouldn't be shocked if he comes back. I'm just questioning if his star really gets brighter than it was this last season. Great player, but he seems at least very close to maxing his potential at Iowa. What if he falls out of the top ten in the NPOY race? What if next year's draft is a lot deeper? What if he gets hurt? I see at least as many reasons to leave as I do to stay. Maybe he knows if he comes back and has a great year that it could set up for life after basketball. He could become a legend in Iowa and have about any job he wants. I am sure Iowa had plenty of rich alumni that would be willing to give Garza a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go_iu_bb Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, IU Scott said: Maybe he knows if he comes back and has a great year that it could set up for life after basketball. He could become a legend in Iowa and have about any job he wants. I am sure Iowa had plenty of rich alumni that would be willing to give Garza a great job. Do you believe rich alumni might be more willing to give him a job if he comes back for another year rather than going pro now? He's already been great. Among the honors he's already received are B1G POY and 1st team All-American. You don't think he's an Iowa legend already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steubenhoosier Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 When has Fran's program sent a player to the pros? The value to Iowa basketball may very well be greater if he were to go and get drafted this year. As it stands, who can Fran point to when recruiting kids and say, " I put (fill in the blank) in the league, and I can develop you the same way"? To Scott's point, I don't see Iowa, with or without Garza, making a Final Four run next year. If Fran can parlay Garza making it into the pros into bringing in recruits with higher aspirations, that would do wonders for the program, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 13 hours ago, FKIM01 said: OK, I'll bite...tell us what Garza gains with a 4th year at Iowa. He may well come back, but I'm struggling to see his motivation to do so. Those lovely Iowa coeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) Garza will not succeed in the NBA unless he develops some sort of jump shot and or 3pt shot at a min and improving his mobility. In todays game, you need to be able to step away from the rim or near the rim to be relative Edited May 14, 2020 by dwtaylor1055 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonsquad Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said: Garza will not succeed in the NBA unless he develops some sort of jump shot and or 3pt shot at a min and improving his mobility. In todays game, you need to be able to step away from the rim or near the rim to be relative While I agree with you about needing to improve on his mobility, Garza was a more than capable 3pt shooter last year. Shooting something like 37% from beyond the arc coupled with being as dominant as he is down low makes for a tough player to guard. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, toonsquad said: While I agree with you about needing to improve on his mobility, Garza was a more than capable 3pt shooter last year. Shooting something like 37% from beyond the arc coupled with being as dominant as he is down low makes for a tough player to guard. I was going to say the same thing...I watched Iowa quite a bit last year and he's a capable 3 point shooter. Sag off of him, and he'll make you pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDB Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said: Garza will not succeed in the NBA unless he develops some sort of jump shot and or 3pt shot at a min and improving his mobility. In todays game, you need to be able to step away from the rim or near the rim to be relative The 3 pointer IS in the Garza arsenal. One of his strengths IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, toonsquad said: While I agree with you about needing to improve on his mobility, Garza was a more than capable 3pt shooter last year. Shooting something like 37% from beyond the arc coupled with being as dominant as he is down low makes for a tough player to guard. 6 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I was going to say the same thing...I watched Iowa quite a bit last year and he's a capable 3 point shooter. Sag off of him, and he'll make you pay. I would agree that 37% is respectable. If he can maintain that and improve his mobility, he will succeed. Now TJD on the other hand, we know he can be dominate around the rim. Do we anticipate him stepping away from the basket at all this upcoming season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said: I would agree that 37% is respectable. If he can maintain that and improve his mobility, he will succeed. Now TJD on the other hand, we know he can be dominate around the rim. Do we anticipate him stepping away from the basket at all this upcoming season? I think Garza's big challenge, like you initially stated, is the lateral quickness and finding someone he can guard. TJD's athleticism gives him an advantage over Luka on the defensive end, but boy would I like to see HIM stepping out and hitting 3s at a 36% clip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonsquad Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, IUFLA said: I think Garza's big challenge, like you initially stated, is the lateral quickness and finding someone he can guard. TJD's athleticism gives him an advantage over Luka on the defensive end, but boy would I like to see HIM stepping out and hitting 3s at a 36% clip... Agreed. Would bring an entirely new dimension to our offense if TJD was able to stretch the floor in that way. It would give our guards (particularly Lander) a ton space to penetrate the lane and kick for open shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted May 14, 2020 Report Share Posted May 14, 2020 16 hours ago, TheWatShot said: I interpreted that response as him saying "I'm not THAT good," not as a reference to how long he'd be in school. On a side note, I find it hilarious how many IU fans are desperately hoping Garza doesn't come back next season. Regardless of the reality, no elite college basketball player would ever respond to a statement questioning his ability to go pro by saying “I’m not good enough.” Especially one with pro aspirations like TJD. You really think TJD doesn’t believe he’s good enough to go pro? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWatShot Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 7 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said: Regardless of the reality, no elite college basketball player would ever respond to a statement questioning his ability to go pro by saying “I’m not good enough.” Especially one with pro aspirations like TJD. You really think TJD doesn’t believe he’s good enough to go pro? No, I'm saying he responded to a comparison to Garza by humbly saying he's not on Garza's level...and he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW_Hoosier Posted May 15, 2020 Report Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, TheWatShot said: No, I'm saying he responded to a comparison to Garza by humbly saying he's not on Garza's level...and he's not. I can guarantee that’s not what he was saying... and I’d be disappointed if he did. Obviously looking at it objectively, Garza clearly had a better season than TJD all around, but TJD was probably better defensively. And when they went head to head, Garza got his, but TJD dropped 17-10 and walked away with the dub. No way would TJD ever say Garza is better than him, nor should he. Garza is not that much more superior to him. Edited May 15, 2020 by FW_Hoosier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rico Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 PoY rankings/ratings according to this site: https://barttorvik.com/poy.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, rico said: PoY rankings/ratings according to this site: https://barttorvik.com/poy.php This can't be right. While watching the Duke / Gonzaga game Friday night, I was assured that it would be Timme or Banchero. But, they are 24th and 26th in these rankings. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUFLA Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, 5fouls said: This can't be right. While watching the Duke / Gonzaga game Friday night, I was assured that it would be Timme or Banchero. But, they are 24th and 26th in these rankings. The Big 10 is pretty well represented...6 of the top 10... But the name I saw that made me grin a little is at #18, Colin Castleton... Juwan Howard ran him off from Michigan by only giving him about 8 minutes a game 2 years ago...Michigan's struggling with frontcourt depth right now...I bet he wishes he had Castleton back... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 If Duke and the Zags stay in the top 5 Banchero and Holmgren will both be top 5 player of the year candidates on this list. In K’s last season Duke will get so much ESPN airtime that we will know the names of their ball boys and student managers by the end of the year and will endlessly hear Banchero’s name. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, IU878176 said: If Duke and the Zags stay in the top 5 Banchero and Holmgren will both be top 5 player of the year candidates on this list. In K’s last season Duke will get so much ESPN airtime that we will know the names of their ball boys and student managers by the end of the year and will endlessly hear Banchero’s name. An argument can be made that neither of those guys are the best players on their team. Timme for the Zags and Moore for Duke have had equally good starts. POY should not be a media deriven award. Edited November 28, 2021 by 5fouls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU878176 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, 5fouls said: An argument can be made that neither of those guys are the best players on their team. Timme for the Zags and Moore for Duke have had equally good starts. POY should not be a media deriven award. Agree and Agree. That being said I do think “media mojo” can impact/influence some of the POY awards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoB2011 Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 4 hours ago, 5fouls said: An argument can be made that neither of those guys are the best players on their team. Timme for the Zags and Moore for Duke have had equally good starts. POY should not be a media deriven award. Who should decide it then? There’s no reasonable way for coaches to do it for a national award. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlinedavid Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 5 hours ago, rico said: PoY rankings/ratings according to this site: https://barttorvik.com/poy.php Still a lot of B10 players ahead of him, but does my heart good to see TJD ahead of Cockburn. And yes, the 12 year in me giggles every time I type that name. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rico Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, KoB2011 said: Who should decide it then? There’s no reasonable way for coaches to do it for a national award. Let the NBA players vote on who should be the NCAAB PoY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 29, 2021 Report Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, KoB2011 said: Who should decide it then? There’s no reasonable way for coaches to do it for a national award. That's not my point. Of course the media should vote. But, they should not simply hype the good players on the top teams or cave into preseason hype.. Edited November 29, 2021 by 5fouls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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