HoosierMatty Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Sean can say well Dawkins called me but I never agreed to pay money and I told him no. But the problem with that argument is why were there so many calls? And why were some of them lengthy? Sounds like a bidding war. If he told him no it should have been one short phone call. If reforms come from all this there needs to be an accountability standard added for assistant coaches tied to the head coach. If major infranctions happen where an assistant pays money the head coach needs to be as liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotIThatLives Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 Good thing is that Arizona is a Nike school. Suck them in. 5 star isn't going to Duke or Kentucky for free when he could go to Louisville for $100k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, NotIThatLives said: Good thing is that Arizona is a Nike school. Suck them in. 5 star isn't going to Duke or Kentucky for free when he could go to Louisville for $100k. Totally agree, Nike and their blue scum need to get sucked in. Hopefully it branches out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 hours ago, PoHoosier said: Totally agree, Nike and their blue scum need to get sucked in. Hopefully it branches out. LSU & Creighton are both Nike schools...it's gonna branch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 51 minutes ago, FKIM01 said: LSU & Creighton are both Nike schools...it's gonna branch out. Teams like LSU and Western Kentucky that have no basketball tradition but somehow are recently landing 5 star talent are such red flags and look obvious to me these schools are paying players. Sticks out like a sore thumb (not saying tons of others aren't cheating, but teams like these are the biggest slam dunks in my mind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU Scott Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 35 minutes ago, ArchieBall13 said: Teams like LSU and Western Kentucky that have no basketball tradition but somehow are recently landing 5 star talent are such red flags and look obvious to me these schools are paying players. Sticks out like a sore thumb (not saying tons of others aren't cheating, but teams like these are the biggest slam dunks in my mind). So does Washington and Oregon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 10:29 AM, rico said: Explain the wire fraud to me. Sorry...not sure if this ever got answered....so when you wire money to someone it doesn't just go from bank to bank. It goes from bank to FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to bank. Thus this is where the FEDs get involved. When you wire money you have to state the reason for sending the money and who it is going to on the forms. Thus I would assume if you lie or purposely disguise to hide the intended recipient or reasons for sending money you are lying to the Federal Govt. This is my best explaination of the wire fraud and how it involves these guys. Basically it's just like catching MOB bosses on tax evasion with the IRS....or insider trading or dozens of other high profile government cases. They rarely catch them or convict them on elaborate charges...typically they get them for "lying to the FBI" or with the IRS etc. It's much easier to prove and it's crazy the penalties...as its pretty obsurd that wire fraud is almost equivilant to murder charges or something like that with how long they can send you away. Anyways hope that helps some...if not sorry to be so late to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted October 29, 2018 Report Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 hours ago, ArchieBall13 said: Teams like LSU and Western Kentucky that have no basketball tradition but somehow are recently landing 5 star talent are such red flags and look obvious to me these schools are paying players. Sticks out like a sore thumb (not saying tons of others aren't cheating, but teams like these are the biggest slam dunks in my mind). Yeah...well stuff like that...what incentive does a shoe company have to pay a player to go to WKU?? Nobody will ever see them? Wondering if schools like that maybe are getting set to renew their contracts or if they have people that will use the shoe companies to funnel money to the players to go there? Maybe that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-give-ncaa-go-ahead-begin-investigating-certain-schools-tied-college-hoops-scandal-030502043.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 41 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-give-ncaa-go-ahead-begin-investigating-certain-schools-tied-college-hoops-scandal-030502043.html So the adults are finally letting the children play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierhoopster Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Giving the go ahead for the NCAA to "begin investigating...." Riiiiigghhht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieBall13 Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Giving the go ahead for the NCAA to "begin investigating...." Riiiiigghhht It's kind of cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoHoosier Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said: Giving the go ahead for the NCAA to "begin investigating...." Riiiiigghhht I visualized Usain Bolt in a relay passing the baton to Cartman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADGERVOL Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 Any chance with the FBI involved the NCAA feels compelled to actually do a legit investigation this time around with an authority like that looking over their shoulder? If they do some obviously CYA type investigation then it will make the FBI look bad along with the NCAA. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addictedtoIU Posted November 7, 2018 Report Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, BADGERVOL said: Any chance with the FBI involved the NCAA feels compelled to actually do a legit investigation this time around with an authority like that looking over their shoulder? If they do some obviously CYA type investigation then it will make the FBI look bad along with the NCAA. thoughts? NCAA is in a sticky situation. They can't put the whole thing under the rug as too much information came out nor do they want to disrupt their business too much by hammering blue chip programs. My guess is they will try to find the best middle ground (for example, reduction of scholarships, post season ban, fines, head coach's resignation, etc.) and give the general public the impression NCAA is a legit, authoritative institution. In other words, they will try to fool the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Hoosier Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 On 10/29/2018 at 4:38 PM, dgambill said: Sorry...not sure if this ever got answered....so when you wire money to someone it doesn't just go from bank to bank. It goes from bank to FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to bank. Thus this is where the FEDs get involved. When you wire money you have to state the reason for sending the money and who it is going to on the forms. Thus I would assume if you lie or purposely disguise to hide the intended recipient or reasons for sending money you are lying to the Federal Govt. This is my best explaination of the wire fraud and how it involves these guys. Basically it's just like catching MOB bosses on tax evasion with the IRS....or insider trading or dozens of other high profile government cases. They rarely catch them or convict them on elaborate charges...typically they get them for "lying to the FBI" or with the IRS etc. It's much easier to prove and it's crazy the penalties...as its pretty obsurd that wire fraud is almost equivilant to murder charges or something like that with how long they can send you away. Anyways hope that helps some...if not sorry to be so late to respond. The IRS Is who I would be worried about if I was a parent taking money. I’m a CPA for a top 10 firm and ten years ago the IRS would have already been on this. I guarantee you the parents aren’t claiming the cash so this is a easy win for them. Even though the parents probably already spent the money and don’t have anymore left, it would still be a win for the IRS. Since it’s now and the IRS is so depleted in regards to it’s resources it hasn’t been pursued yet, but the longer it stays in the news the better chance they go after some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indytime Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/two-kentucky-players-mentioned-in-fbi-scandal-document-handed-over-to-ncaa/?fbclid=IwAR0Vo2mp2mB-K-3zGQKFNDHPYiumloTJfLD43cRCQDAvVczQ17l8nBp1BUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, Indytime said: http://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/two-kentucky-players-mentioned-in-fbi-scandal-document-handed-over-to-ncaa/?fbclid=IwAR0Vo2mp2mB-K-3zGQKFNDHPYiumloTJfLD43cRCQDAvVczQ17l8nBp1BUM Breaking news...the earth is round and UK has illegal paid players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluegrassIU Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 16 hours ago, BADGERVOL said: Any chance with the FBI involved the NCAA feels compelled to actually do a legit investigation this time around with an authority like that looking over their shoulder? If they do some obviously CYA type investigation then it will make the FBI look bad along with the NCAA. thoughts? Welcome back, stranger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad B Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 The key to the UK article is that there is no evidence the players accepted the deal. Therefore UK will simply deny everything. The NCAA will say they investigated and found no evidence. Dickie V will continue to say how great of a coach the slimy Calipari is even though all of the ESPN announcers have to know about the cheating. I think I need another cup of coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwtaylor1055 Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/11/08/espn-report-links-would-be-agent-christian-dawkins-to-proposed-payments-to-james-wiseman-top-prospects/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Case in point: One legendary (and problematic) coach thinks Cal is full of it. - 7 Reasons John Calipari is the Most Hated Coach in College Basketball Calipari knows nothing, sees nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 They're having a meltdown on the UK board. Of course the reason they lost Romeo is because he got paid. Everyone they ever lost got paid. https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/coach-cals-usa-u19-loss-changed-everything.278416/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 17 hours ago, Montana Hoosier said: The IRS Is who I would be worried about if I was a parent taking money. I’m a CPA for a top 10 firm and ten years ago the IRS would have already been on this. I guarantee you the parents aren’t claiming the cash so this is a easy win for them. Even though the parents probably already spent the money and don’t have anymore left, it would still be a win for the IRS. Since it’s now and the IRS is so depleted in regards to it’s resources it hasn’t been pursued yet, but the longer it stays in the news the better chance they go after some of them. Yes high profile case...certainly the parents will be in the crosshairs. As for the agents, shoe companies who are on trial here...wire fraud and any lying to the FBI they will certainly go after as an easy way to threaten them into turning over. Good point about the parents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 36 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said: They're having a meltdown on the UK board. Of course the reason they lost Romeo is because he got paid. Everyone they ever lost got paid. https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/coach-cals-usa-u19-loss-changed-everything.278416/ They should just hush up....honestly every program is in bed with the shoe companies. Some aren't big enough to see action from it but the major programs...they know what is going on and simply turning a blind eye...if not actively getting involved ala Bill Self. There is no doubt in my mind Calipari is saying to the shoe companies....look...I get guys into the NBA....keep them happy and coming to me and we will keep turning them out. That said I'm sure he is smart enough to not get caught holding the bag...it's a slimy business. Either you lose because others get the guys and get desperate enough to get in on it after facing the hot seat..or you are successful in recruiting and inevitably recruit a kid on the take behind your back...it's likely to happen. Thing is these assistant coaches are under so much pressure to land a kid for these big name coaches...they will do anything. If you don't....how do you compete with those that are?? Again...this is so deep into the system that mid majors are in the action?!! Everyone's dirty...and thus the NCAA will probably do nothing because they can't take down everyone. Just implement some new rules and harsh penalties going forward and call it a day.....ala Steroids in Baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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