bluegrassIU Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Muddy River said: There were plenty on this board who argued that we shouldn't have offered Vic, because there were 100 3 star kids in Indiana to choose from. I thought that was exactly what Fouls was saying. I see your point on the others, but Vic still makes my point. You are right, that's a fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 hours ago, 5fouls said: All other things remaining equal (academics, work ethic, off the court, etc.) I take the 80th ranked 4 star prospect from my home town before I take the 45th ranked prospect from another state. I do that 100% of the time. It's a no-brainer. The thing is all things are never equal....and especially on the court. I trust Archie to get the right guy for the program. He can’t just take the Indiana kids every year. He has to build a program. The thing about Indiana is that we have 4 star guards a lot in our state. But a 4 Star one year might not be equal to a four star next year. You don’t have to offer every kid even the best in our state every year if it’s a down year or it will create a log jam on the roster. Offering kids has to consider what they will add to what you currently have and could likely get in the coming years. It’s about a 4 year prospect and not a short sided prospect. Given what we might be highly likely to land in 2021 and what we already have on the roster...I can understand why we may pass...but if we take him then I trust Archie has a good reason for it. It’s not black and white...and maybe Archie sees something special in a player despite what a dumb ranking says...either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5fouls Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Muddy River said: There were plenty on this board who argued that we shouldn't have offered Vic, because there were 100 3 star kids in Indiana to choose from. I thought that was exactly what Fouls was saying. I see your point on the others, but Vic still makes my point. Vic was not ranked anywhere near 45th. From that fact alone he does not fit into my point. And I also said "all other things being equal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, 5fouls said: Vic was not ranked anywhere near 45th. From that fact alone he does not fit into my point. And I also said "all other things being equal". If memory serves, Vic was a fringe top-100, 3*, yeah? I mean, Vic’s recruitment and development were a couple things Tom Crean got unequivocally right during his tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 I also will say that usually....usually there is a reason a guy is a top 50 recruit...something very special meaning one of the top in the whole country at his position....they stand out. I would say the difference between a top 50 player from a top 100 is much bigger than an 80-130 because at that point the physical differences and skills get close together. Top 50 to me is a guy that can arguably be a 5 Star kid...3-4 stars to me overlapp much more. All said and done though these scouts don’t see potential the same as a coach...and how they might excel in their system...so perhaps this kid might benefit from being in our system more than a higher ranked kid. All I know as soon as I say an Indiana kid is a better fit or always take the higher ranked kid then I know I’ll be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FKIM01 Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, zerawkid said: If memory serves, Vic was a fringe top-100, 3*, yeah? I mean, Vic’s recruitment and development were a couple things Tom Crean got unequivocally right during his tenure. I think Vic was in the mid 140's. That was a tip of the hat to Crean's ability to find underappreciated kids, probably after striking out on higher-ranked kids (I don't remember for certain but it seems likely). Yeah, yeah, yeah...we know he brought some clunkers too, but Vic & OG were really nice finds and I give him credit for that. I don't even think Archie necessarily WANTS all top-50 kids. The more of that you have, the more roster turnover you get, so some kids in the 50-100 range may actually be desirable for program stability. Considering kids like Al Durham, Damezi Anderson and Rob Phinisee, I'm very glad to have kids outside the top 50 on the team. If an Indiana kid can play, doesn't have any obvious character issues and fits the system, I don't care if he's a little outside the top 50. I also don't care if Archie isn't the first offer. Communicate with the kid and let him know you are following him with the idea of eventually offering a scholarship as long as the kid develops and stays out of trouble. I'd even go as far as stating that offering later can create the idea that Indiana scholarships are more valuable than schools that offer really early. Those schools seem almost to be trying too hard or even desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 21 hours ago, FKIM01 said: I think Vic was in the mid 140's. That was a tip of the hat to Crean's ability to find underappreciated kids, probably after striking out on higher-ranked kids (I don't remember for certain but it seems likely). Yeah, yeah, yeah...we know he brought some clunkers too, but Vic & OG were really nice finds and I give him credit for that. I don't even think Archie necessarily WANTS all top-50 kids. The more of that you have, the more roster turnover you get, so some kids in the 50-100 range may actually be desirable for program stability. Considering kids like Al Durham, Damezi Anderson and Rob Phinisee, I'm very glad to have kids outside the top 50 on the team. If an Indiana kid can play, doesn't have any obvious character issues and fits the system, I don't care if he's a little outside the top 50. I also don't care if Archie isn't the first offer. Communicate with the kid and let him know you are following him with the idea of eventually offering a scholarship as long as the kid develops and stays out of trouble. I'd even go as far as stating that offering later can create the idea that Indiana scholarships are more valuable than schools that offer really early. Those schools seem almost to be trying too hard or even desperate. Agree to most of that. You don't have to offer a kid early as long as you have been communicating with him early. Fact is our roster has to shape out to know what openings we will have after the draft and transfers to make a commitment to a kid too far out...especially one that we know will say yes immediately. This is as much for the kids good as ours. Save him from being recruited over and sitting the bench etc. Teams like Iowa etc know they will take you now because they know you immediately upgrade their roster and can make time for you. UK always offers late...as long as you are there showing love and being respectful and up front and honest you won't be hurt by offering last. It might just be we don't have a spot (at his position) to offer until we know how the roster shakes out after the season. We may expect some to go but we can't be for certain. We are worth waiting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_AK Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Leal is playing here at New Albany. He has a college ready body and a good 3 point stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehiiu Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rev_AK said: Leal is playing here at New Albany. He has a college ready body and a good 3 point stroke. Thanks for the report Rev. Blessings to you and yours during this special holiday season . And thanks for being a great HSN member and sharing information with me, out of N.A. with me in the past. Much, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_AK Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Thanks for the kind words! This side of the state is still relevant, at least at the high school level, but it may be a while before we produce another Romeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeking6 Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Archie Miller sitting courtside for this kid tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 53 minutes ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: Sounds like Leal had a great audition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 championships Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Leal is a really really good 4 year player. I really hope we land him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud2BAHoosier Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Rumblings on the Brooks thread he may be a commit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent14 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 Would love to get Leal. From Bloomington, 4 year player, shooter, and probably another Mr. Basketball to play for the Hoosiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookied39 Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 11/4/2018 at 3:09 PM, zerawkid said: If memory serves, Vic was a fringe top-100, 3*, yeah? I mean, Vic’s recruitment and development were a couple things Tom Crean got unequivocally right during his tenure. Somewhat disagree.....Vic had a SERIOUS DESIRE to improve himself. He had intrinsic motivation out the ying yang......I would bet he leads every player in time logged post practice in Cook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoosier Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, mookied39 said: Somewhat disagree.....Vic had a SERIOUS DESIRE to improve himself. He had intrinsic motivation out the ying yang......I would bet he leads every player in time logged post practice in Cook. False. Jordan Hulls lead the way in time spent in the gym which rubbed off on Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmhoosier Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, HSRecruitingNews said: Would love to get Leal. From Bloomington, 4 year player, shooter, and probably another Mr. Basketball to play for the Hoosiers. If we take 3 in that class or miss on some of the better guards we're after then absolutely yes. I definitely think we need a big in 2020. Deron will be gone and who knows how Race and Forrester will develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerawkid Posted December 11, 2018 Report Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 hours ago, mookied39 said: Somewhat disagree.....Vic had a SERIOUS DESIRE to improve himself. He had intrinsic motivation out the ying yang......I would bet he leads every player in time logged post practice in Cook. Not doubting that at all...but, where was Vic even being recruited to? My point was merely that Crean saw him, saw the potential before the intrinsic motivation equated to vast improvement, and signed him to be a Hoosier. In that, he gave Vic tremendous resources and a wonderful platform to improve and then showcase his skills. I think there is plenty to forget all about during Crean's tenure, Vic is not part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Stanford offered him yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CauseThatsMyDJ Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/leal-65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgambill Posted December 13, 2018 Report Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, CauseThatsMyDJ said: https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/leal-65 If by chance we have someone leave could Leal be the 20 kid that reclassifies to a 19 given his academic standing? Also being a home town kid his parents might not discourage it. I'm getting the feeling that it's just a matter of when not if with the kid given his progression. He has definitely worked hard at his game and I would hate to have a Phinisee situation with him going to Purdue or something. He might not be able to help us much next year but could be another strength and conditioning thing like Race did....redshirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIHoosier26 Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 Can someone tell me why we haven't offered this kid yet? With his shooting ability it seems like a no brainer. He would likely commit right away too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLHoosier Posted December 15, 2018 Report Share Posted December 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, SIHoosier26 said: Can someone tell me why we haven't offered this kid yet? With his shooting ability it seems like a no brainer. He would likely commit right away too. I’m assuming it’s because they’re not sure how many scholarships will be available for his class, and probably want to prioritize others ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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