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2 hours ago, Steubenhoosier said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/houston-suspends-all-voluntary-workouts-after-six-athletes-test-positive-for-covid-19/

Stupid on Houston's part not to test all returning players. 

Wonder if this happens too many other places whether it becomes a setback for play starting on time/at all?

IU isn’t testing all returning players, either.

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What is it with Mike Gundy?  He’s always struck me as a complete meathead ever since he said “I’m a man, I’m 40.”  I have no idea why OK State acts like they can’t get another coach.  

I have never heard of that TV channel.  It doesn’t matter.  It obviously represents something that offended his players.  Why offend your football team.  This guy lacks total self awareness.  He’s made millions on the backs of unpaid football players.  And he’s oblivious to the fact that we are having a moment that will literally be studied in history books.  

That press conference was a sorry situation. Chubba Hubbard—who is widely considered one of the two top backs in next year’s draft along with Travis Ettiene—looked like he was in a hostage video.  Obviously his meat head coach came in there and was domineering and Chubba caved.  Then he had a statement that was way too defensive.  In life, being defensive never plays well.  He’s a kid so it’s unfair.  I wish someone was there to mentor him.  He had a lot more power in that situation than he showed.  He could have gotten way more than he did.  

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Not sure gang. Clemson had 23 players today test positive. Texas has their own issues. UCLA players are having it out on twitter with Chip. I really, really hope we get this one. I'm expecting several more positive test stories to come out over coming weeks. Knowing that will happen I guess the positive is it's happening in June. The negative will be the see I told you so crowd. 

Dangerous waters ahead. Hopefully it means football this fall.

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On 6/15/2020 at 10:27 AM, Sark said:

IU isn’t testing all returning players, either.

Another overconfident proclamation where you whiff.  Next time you state something with so much confidence, we will all know you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass again.  

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9 hours ago, BobSaccamanno said:

Another overconfident proclamation where you whiff.  Next time you state something with so much confidence, we will all know you’re just pulling stuff out of your ass again.  

Lol. Someone is a little triggered. Love it.

In all seriousness, what I said came straight from IU. Rather than stomp around in your little rage, a little research would’ve been a better use of your time. Try to do better next time rather than pulling something out of your ass again.

IU ANNOUNCES PLAN FOR FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL ATHLETES TO RETURN

June 3, 2020 Jon Blau Football, Men's Basketball Comments Offon IU announces plan for football, basketball athletes to return

Indiana has announced a timeline for restarting athletic activities this month.

Football players will begin to return to voluntary workouts on June 15, while men’s and women’s basketball will officially be back on June 18. Other falls sports will then return in a staggered process.

“We cannot totally eliminate the risk,” athletic director Fred Glass said in a statement. “At least until there is a vaccine, there will be risk. What we can do is have the best doctors give us the best protocols and make sure they are strictly followed. That’s what we’ve done and what we are going to do.”

According to IU’s release, returning athletes will have to go through “a series of pre-participation protocols.” That will include a virtual pre-participation history conducted by IU Sports Medicine, according to the restart plan, which will determine if the athlete has been sick or is currently sick and if they’ve been exposed to COVID-19.

Athletes will also be expected to follow CDC guidelines regarding social distancing, maintaining a distance of six feet apart in IU’s indoor and outdoor facilities. No more than 10 participants, including staff and student-athletes, will be permitted in a space, and teams are expected to split athletes into cohorts that can be staggered for in-person activity.

If physical distance is not possible during an activity, or if participants are in a closed space, such as a meeting room, they will be required to wear face coverings. IU is also trying to limit contact in other ways; for example, athletes and coaches are advised not to give fist bumps or high fives. High-touch equipment, such as water fountains, will be closed.

Once they are “reintegrated,” athletes will be given daily medical checks, filling out a health screening questionnaire prior to participating in team activities that day.

“If a student-athlete selects ‘yes’ to any symptom(s), they should immediately contact a member of the IU Sports Medicine staff to receive guidance on next steps, and they should not come to the facility,” the plan states.

When athletes report to athletic facilities, they will have their temperature checked. For football players, their medical check entry point will be the north end zone of Memorial Stadium. Basketball players will be checked at the main entrance for Cook Hall.

When deemed necessary by IU Athletics’ Chief Medical Officer, participants will have to submit to COVID-19 testing, according to the plan.

Athletes will also sign a “pledge” outlining expectations that they, among other things, practice personal hygiene and social distancing. They will also be required to notify medical staff if they are exhibiting symptoms and self-isolate, if necessary.

Once the football and basketball teams have returned, other fall sports will begin workouts on a rolling basis. That includes women’s soccer (July 6), volleyball (July 8), men’s soccer (July 13), field hockey (July 15), and cross country (Aug. 18). Other athletes will return when school starts, which IU has scheduled for Aug. 24.

The release stressed the voluntary nature of these workouts and that “IU Athletics will emphasize the voluntary nature of the workouts to its students.”

The NCAA previously cleared the way for athletes to begin voluntary activities, beginning on June 1. The Big Ten’s moratorium on activities also lapsed on June 1.

 

 

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On 6/16/2020 at 6:26 PM, BobSaccamanno said:

What is it with Mike Gundy?  He’s always struck me as a complete meathead ever since he said “I’m a man, I’m 40.”  I have no idea why OK State acts like they can’t get another coach.  

I have never heard of that TV channel.  It doesn’t matter.  It obviously represents something that offended his players.  Why offend your football team.  This guy lacks total self awareness.  He’s made millions on the backs of unpaid football players.  And he’s oblivious to the fact that we are having a moment that will literally be studied in history books.  

That press conference was a sorry situation. Chubba Hubbard—who is widely considered one of the two top backs in next year’s draft along with Travis Ettiene—looked like he was in a hostage video.  Obviously his meat head coach came in there and was domineering and Chubba caved.  Then he had a statement that was way too defensive.  In life, being defensive never plays well.  He’s a kid so it’s unfair.  I wish someone was there to mentor him.  He had a lot more power in that situation than he showed.  He could have gotten way more than he did.  

Just because Hubbard was offended doesn't give him the right to threaten to quit. I don't understand that at all. These guys are so tough and so progressive, but yet they take to Twitter to do all their yapping. Jamal Adams is same way with the crap he spewed about Brees. 

There is so much hypocritical bs going on its absurd.

I'm an absolute huge Gundy fan.  

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On 6/16/2020 at 5:26 PM, BobSaccamanno said:

What is it with Mike Gundy?  He’s always struck me as a complete meathead ever since he said “I’m a man, I’m 40.”  I have no idea why OK State acts like they can’t get another coach.  

I have never heard of that TV channel.  It doesn’t matter.  It obviously represents something that offended his players.  Why offend your football team.  This guy lacks total self awareness.  He’s made millions on the backs of unpaid football players.  And he’s oblivious to the fact that we are having a moment that will literally be studied in history books.  

That press conference was a sorry situation. Chubba Hubbard—who is widely considered one of the two top backs in next year’s draft along with Travis Ettiene—looked like he was in a hostage video.  Obviously his meat head coach came in there and was domineering and Chubba caved.  Then he had a statement that was way too defensive.  In life, being defensive never plays well.  He’s a kid so it’s unfair.  I wish someone was there to mentor him.  He had a lot more power in that situation than he showed.  He could have gotten way more than he did.  

Gundy is an alum and former player at Ok. State, so he’s part of the family. As for his “I’m a man” rant, it was in defense of one of his players, who had been pretty mercilessly ripped by a reporter who hadn’t done her homework. Strange that you would be critical of a coach supporting his players with such passion.

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In Gundy’s defense, he did come around a few days later and essentially said empathetic things for his players.  I think what set me off was that he looked like he made Chubba come around and apologize but didn’t give much back initially.  Later, after some more meetings, he warmed up to what the players were saying.

I do agree that Chubba should not have done it on Twitter first.  None of us would want to be accused that way of anything.  

I have never seen the channel that caused the whole issue but that’s beside the point.  It badly offended some of his players and that’s what I was getting out of it.  He can be empathetic to the guys on his team, who work to help him win and make lots of money.

Don’t forget, he has had other serious controversies around him involving race and cheating.  Lot of smoke follows this guy everywhere he goes.  

Regarding the I’m a man, I’m 40, it was a cartoonish way to go about it even if the intent was positive to defend his player.

 

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15 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

In Gundy’s defense, he did come around a few days later and essentially said empathetic things for his players.  I think what set me off was that he looked like he made Chubba come around and apologize but didn’t give much back initially.  Later, after some more meetings, he warmed up to what the players were saying.

I do agree that Chubba should not have done it on Twitter first.  None of us would want to be accused that way of anything.  

I have never seen the channel that caused the whole issue but that’s beside the point.  It badly offended some of his players and that’s what I was getting out of it.  He can be empathetic to the guys on his team, who work to help him win and make lots of money.

Don’t forget, he has had other serious controversies around him involving race and cheating.  Lot of smoke follows this guy everywhere he goes.  

Regarding the I’m a man, I’m 40, it was a cartoonish way to go about it even if the intent was positive to defend his player.

 

But we as coaches think forums, writers, and Twitter tough guys are cartoonish. Right or wrong. 

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1 hour ago, btownqb said:

But we as coaches think forums, writers, and Twitter tough guys are cartoonish. Right or wrong. 

Honestly, that’s fair.  You guys are in your profession and obviously have a depth of knowledge and practicality that would escape a typical fan.  It is two different levels.  Doesn’t make anyone right or wrong, just that it’s fair.  

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1 hour ago, BobSaccamanno said:

In Gundy’s defense, he did come around a few days later and essentially said empathetic things for his players.  I think what set me off was that he looked like he made Chubba come around and apologize but didn’t give much back initially.  Later, after some more meetings, he warmed up to what the players were saying.

I do agree that Chubba should not have done it on Twitter first.  None of us would want to be accused that way of anything.  

I have never seen the channel that caused the whole issue but that’s beside the point.  It badly offended some of his players and that’s what I was getting out of it.  He can be empathetic to the guys on his team, who work to help him win and make lots of money.

Don’t forget, he has had other serious controversies around him involving race and cheating.  Lot of smoke follows this guy everywhere he goes.  

Regarding the I’m a man, I’m 40, it was a cartoonish way to go about it even if the intent was positive to defend his player.

 

Emotions produce “cartoonish” behavior, as anyone who ever played a sport and was coached can tell you.

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2 hours ago, rico said:

For the first time in some of these players lives they actually feel like they have a voice. Whether I agree or disagree with how some are going about it doesn't matter one bit. Kids feel like they have a chance at being heard and to me that's a positive.

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10 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

For the first time in some of these players lives they actually feel like they have a voice. Whether I agree or disagree with how some are going about it doesn't matter one bit. Kids feel like they have a chance at being heard and to me that's a positive.

Being heard is one thing, boycotting their "job" is another.  JMO.  

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I’m reminded of the Nazi case in Skokie.  Nazis were allowed under the first amendment to march through Skokie, Illinois, which has a considerable Jewish population. 

Kansas State as a state school might have the same problem.  The punk kid could make that argument.  The football players are free to boycott but I don’t know if the state can put in the policy to prevent the loser from speaking out on Twitter.  They could prevent actions beyond speech, but presumably they already do.  

While a corporation is allowed to have policies, they are not a state actor.  The first amendment requires attachment to the government.   Here, you have a state university.  That could lead to a complication unless a court could navigate around this.  I don’t specialize in this by any stretch of the imagination so maybe somebody in that realm can devise a creative work around.  

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From my perspective, the Kansas St players are giving the fool exactly what he wants, attention.  If they didn't boycott we wouldn't know anything about this.  Whatever happened to simply ignoring other people.  I do it everyday.

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9 minutes ago, BobSaccamanno said:

I’m reminded of the Nazi case in Skokie.  Nazis were allowed under the first amendment to march through Skokie, Illinois, which has a considerable Jewish population. 

Kansas State as a state school might have the same problem.  The punk kid could make that argument.  The football players are free to boycott but I don’t know if the state can put in the policy to prevent the loser from speaking out on Twitter.  They could prevent actions beyond speech, but presumably they already do.  

While a corporation is allowed to have policies, they are not a state actor.  The first amendment requires attachment to the government.   Here, you have a state university.  That could lead to a complication unless a court could navigate around this.  I don’t specialize in this by any stretch of the imagination so maybe somebody in that realm can devise a creative work around.  

I concur, a can of worms is this one.

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