Billingsley99

8 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

1) PG is not a guard, he's a small forward (and that is always how he is selected for all star games). 

2) There is a sum total zero basis/metrics to put Hayward ahead of PG, except of course that you like Hayward  

3) All stars are selected by conference, as Gleas noted (and otherwise as much as I like him, Vic wouldn't stand a chance, as a guard). Guys like D Lillard get screwed and cheated out of the All Star game every year, because the West guard group is so stacked. And he really got hosed last season.

4) John Wall is not having a great year, so far, and the weakness in his game continues to be shooting. As good as he is, he has not developed a consistent shot, and it hurts the Wiz. Beal actually may be the better player at this point (his weakness is staying healthy).

and 5) I am done participating in dealing with the continuing PG bashing. I don't get the need.

I don't see any bashing. I don't think Vic will make the All Star game .  My point is if he is a top 15 player then it really would not matter what position or conf. He plays in. Also top 15 would have put him 3rd team all NBA. If he would have been on 3rd team I believe he would still be here

Is that the list that has Rudy Gorbert ahead of Kyrie? I don't take much stock in it.   Off top of my head LeBron, Kyrie,Hayward, John Wall and Greek freak ahead of PG. In all honesty PG probably is the 7th best guard in the west

9 minutes ago, BGleas said:

The All-Star game has very little to do with conference head-to-head. There are more "stars" in the West to compete with. 

If PG is the top 10-15 player that some claim it should make no difference what conf he plays in.

I have watched more games this year than the last 2 combined.  If PG leaves after this year I feel OKC got SCREWED in this deal. 

Today's trivia.

When is 36.9 ppg <19.4 ppg 

Answer: when it's Vic and Sabonis vs PG.😃

10 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

That's great -- particularly because both were off early, Vic was like 2-10, and then they turned it around. Great to see Vic doing so well.

On the flip side, this also isn't a barometer game. Cavs have lost something like 3 straight home games (and to bad teams), I think the longest in LeBron's career. Things are not kosher in Cleveland right now

I respectfully disagree. This was a barometer win because is was the back end of a back to back at Cleveland.   Pavers were 0 and 2 this year on back end.  I believe last year's team would lose that game.  This team is finding ways to close.  Not saying they will even make playoffs but I think this win does tell us a lot

Sabonis is 23 for 23 in the 3 Pacer victories. 

6 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

Disagree, though Sabonis has looked pretty good early. If he can keep up that play, and not disappear like he did just last season, that will be a nice benefit to the Ps.

I think this was a win win for both teams. The Pavers were going no where with PG  at least there is hope .  Now PG will get to play for something. I hated seeing PG go but now I am content with the trade.

Vic <PG 

Vic + Sabonis > PG

23 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

I don't think that's true, and it is contrary to what PG and various players were saying before Bird gutted the Pacers. After Bird traded away everyone, literally everyone PG played with, and the team around him was mediocre at best, then yes, it became clear he was leaving. Don't forget how good that Pacers team was with Hill, West, Hibbert, Granger et al. The downfall began when Bird meaninglessly traded Granger mid-season - when the Pacers had the best record in the League -- for EvanTurner, who couldn't play D against my grandmother and was a terrible fit. Granger was PG's mentor, Bird did the move without even talking to PG or any other player about it, and it pissed PG off, as he has recently confirmed. Bird then went on to belittle Hibbert publicly, for no reason whatsoever, forcing him out and in publicly dissing him making sure that P's got nothing in return, and pissing off West to the point that West left for San Antonio for a $1M deal, leaving something like $10M on the table. West also publicly expressed disgust with the way Bird treated HIbbert. Then Bird trades away, among others, G Hill -- PG's best friend on the team not to mention an outstanding defender and a very good 3-point corner shooter, for Teague -- clearly a failed experiment, after Atlanta wanted Teague gone, and Teague and PG did not gel at all, while Teague pounded the air out of the ball. Meanwhile Bird had brought in Andrew Bynum, and then Monta Ellis. Brilliant moves. 

It's so easy to target PG's attitude. What would his attitude have been if Bird wasn't deconstructing the Conf Finals team and pissing off and trading everyone around PG? Bird destroyed the team, and then ran out the door knowing PG was going to leave. Blame belongs squarely with Bird.

I agree completelywith all you are saying.  The last couple years left a bad impression in my mind with the lack of effort he displayed.  I think this was a win win trade for all involved.   We own 4 PG jerseys and still waznt the best for him

By no means do I feel PG is clearly top 10. Top 20 maybe. Top 10 players are cold blooded assassins.  They want to be the man and more times than not PG was going through the motions. If he spent as much time getting back on defense as he did yapping with the refs after what he thought a missed call he would be all defensive team every year.  He is a good player that does not want to be the man.  Never hit a game winner.  I would take 2 guys with a chip on their shoulders that play hard and at least look like they want to be here.  I like PG But do not miss him for a second