FW_Hoosier

3 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

Voted for him today...and a shameless plug please vote for Eric Pankowski.

I voted for Hollar as well, but couldn’t pull the trigger on Pankowski... He came across as kind of a clown to me, but all I was going off of were their statements.  All I really know about him is that he’s one of the Hoosier Hysterics guys — anything I was missing?  Honest question.

Craig Wells was the other candidate I voted for.  Basically just picked the two candidates whose educational/career histories I liked the most and whose statements didn’t include a bunch of nonsense about “equity” and “hybrid learning.”

9 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said:

If Stevens was actually seriously considering the IU job in the middle of the NBA season this year, he’s absolutely taking the Duke job after ratface retires... No way they go with Scheyer if Stevens is available.

The nice thing is, I’m not even upset about this.  Mike Woodson is the guy.

Well this was a bad call... I can’t wait to see UNC and Duke tank with Williams’ and K’s stoolboys.

If Stevens was actually seriously considering the IU job in the middle of the NBA season this year, he’s absolutely taking the Duke job after ratface retires... No way they go with Scheyer if Stevens is available.

The nice thing is, I’m not even upset about this.  Mike Woodson is the guy.

On 5/28/2021 at 1:05 PM, ledies22 said:

You're talking about primarily dealing with 1-2 year players. That's a lot of turnover every year. How many players would you have to get from the transfer portal every year? 4? 5? 6?

Not sure it will be the case that you’re only getting players with 1-2 years eligibility.  Now that they don’t have to sit out, there will be a ton of players like Adam Miller at Illinois who choose to leave after one year, for a variety of reasons .

If there are a lot of those types of incoming sophomores out there, I can see why you would want to recruit players like that over high school players.  The player still has three years left and has already been productive at the college level.  Players like that (along with other incoming juniors and seniors) will be really valuable.

9 hours ago, 5fouls said:

College basketball announces no longer have to pretend the 'ck' is silent. - 

I don’t think I’ve ever called him Coburn.

Bohannon walking into the bars in Iowa City like

21 minutes ago, kyhoosier29 said:

Trying to start a fight? How can you tell? Anybody can pop somebody not expecting it.  I don’t give a hoot about Bohannon one bit, but I hope the kid that popped him got arrested. Nothing to celebrate here. We’re better than this. 

He’s the kid with his phone up in the other kid’s face before he gets popped.  Happens in every college bar in the country every weekend.  Don’t talk **** if you’re not ready to get hit... And the thing that makes it even funnier is he’s 24 years old and putting himself in this situation.  Important lesson learned for the young man IMO.

4 hours ago, go_iu_bb said:

I saw on FB that Jon Rothstein reported that Jordan Bohannon was attacked on Sunday morning and received a serious head injury that required medical attention.

Kid was trying to start a bar fight and got rocked — hilarious.  Between this and Dakich doing DoorDash deliveries because he lost so much money betting on the tournament, it’s been an amazing day in college basketball news.

2 hours ago, rico said:

Good landing spot for him...best of luck to the young man.

Solid program, solid conference.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see him become a 12 ppg guy there.  Will be interesting to see how he improves.

14 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

Regarding Bates. Has to be the least amount of chatter ever about a 5 star who committed to us. Strange times I guess. You would think new staff, program momentum, coaching staff hires,etc....this kid would be getting all sorts of attention. 

Guess a few of the other recruits or misses (if you call them that...I don't) take priority for whatever reason. 

Probably because the commitment really came out of nowhere.  We weren’t involved in the recruitment before he committed to Texas, and after he decommitted, I hadn’t even heard he was considering IU before we landed him.  So we didn’t get the usual 20-page recruitment thread hyping him up. And he didn’t get the five star ranking until after he’d already committed.

But I think he’s gonna be a stud.  Should be the best guard we’ve had since Romeo, and it sounds like he’ll be a better shooter as well.

2 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Sorry you feel that way. 
 

Life goes on.

HCMW is in charge now. We will become a better program in spite of ourselves 

Wholeheartedly agree with all of that, except the implication that fans taking shots at the outgoing coach on internet message boards has literally anything to do with the health of the program.

6 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

And you just proved my point.

Just can’t show some class and move on.

We are coming dangerously close to becoming the pUKe fan base 

Like others have said, maybe we’d be more inclined to “show some class” if he’d shown any after we kicked him to the curb.  As it is, I have no qualms getting some parting shots in.

12 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

I don’t feel sorry for him either and know that he was compensated at market value.

Not the issue. Be the better fanbase. Let the guy go with some sense of dignity. Just because he didn’t meet the expectations of the collective, doesn’t mean he should be thrown under the bus

Being subjected to Archie ball for four years was far worse than being thrown under a bus, lol.

1 hour ago, Indykev said:

How many times did you ever hear him take the blame for anything?

He’d usually offer the empty “that’s on me” platitude in a post-game press conference, but once he’d really jacked up all the players’ shots by the end of his tenure and the pressure started ratcheting up, he started shifting the blame to them more often.

What’s always gotten me are the people who continue to say he’s a “good coach” with literally nothing to support that except for two A-10 regular season titles (one shared), a fluke Elite 8 run (beating 6 seed OSU, 14 seed Syracuse, and 10 seed Stanford), and the fact that his dad was a good high school coach (lmao).  And the funny thing is, many of those same people will trash Crean as a terrible coach even though he’s objectively better than Miller by basically every measure.  It’s never made any sense to me.

2 hours ago, Indykev said:

I think its a year or 2 off, collect some free money because his next payday will be a lot smaller. He will find his way back to a mid-major where he belongs. From stories I've been told i hope Archie learns a lesson on how to treat people around a program. Lose the cocky attitude he had with people behind the scenes

Kind of blows my mind he was able to maintain any sort of arrogance with how much of a disaster his tenure was.  I mean he wasn’t even just bad, he was a laughingstock in the Big Ten.  How many times did we hear players on other teams say they knew exactly what we were going to do going into a game?  Opposing coaches just ran rings around him, and the recruiting sucked on top of that.

Comparing him to Crean is honestly an insult to Crean (and Crean isn’t very good).

23 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I'm not looking at just his sophomore year, but thanks. I literally said the 75 games prior to that 9 game stretch. 

In the first 77 games of his career he was a 39% three point shooter on 3.8 attempts per game. In his sophomore year, which you brought up, and his junior year prior to the slump, he was shooting 41% on 4.8 attempts per game. 

None of that guarantees success moving forward, we all get that. But it doesn't take a math major to understand that those 77 games are probably a better indicator of him as a player than the 9 games he most recently played in a terrible situation with a possible injury. 

Touchy, lol.  As with all data, it all depends on which data set you want to look at.

Of course you can make a strong argument that he’ll shoot 40% from three if you only look at the games where he shot around 40% from three.

And you can just as easily say that in a 56 game sample size during his freshman and junior years, he’s only shot 32.6% from three (57/175).

Lies, damn lies, statistics, etc.

1 minute ago, KoB2011 said:

I would be more upset if it didn't bother a competitive kid to be in a slump. 

Any person, in any role, can always just hit a rut and never get out of it. That's true in sports, business, and in life, but why would you ever expect that someone is just going to lose whatever it is that makes them special at what they do? 

 

On the other hand, we can’t be entirely sure whether his sophomore year was the outlier.  He was a subpar three point shooter his freshman year as well, in a not small sample size (23/72, 31.9%).

4 hours ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i guess i could see that as i'm sure that is TJD's goal for potential NBA.  i personally think it will hurt our chances to win if we play around at showcasing him as a 4 for his NBA prospects though.  not saying it won't happen, but if TJD gets to try to prove he is a shooter this season, i am very very nervous.   

Some interesting and relevant quotes in this article from the always great @The Daily Hoosier 

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/michael-durr-picked-indiana-for-tradition-chance-to-take-my-game-to-the-next-level/

Durr said Woodson told him his NBA-style system would give him room to explore his versatility. After taking a total of four 3-pointers in his first two seasons at South Florida, he took 20 last season and made four of them. Hitting 20 percent from 3-point range isn’t terrifying for opposing defenses, but it’s just enough to gain some respect for a five man and spread the floor. Woodson made it clear to All-American center Trayce Jackson-Davis that he will expected to take outside shots, and he made it clear to Durr that he will have freedom to shoot as well.

“He likes the fact that I can play inside and out,” Durr said of Woodson. “He wants me to take my game to the next level, play within his NBA style, show improvement from last year and help win ball games. I fit right in with what they’re trying to do. … With me being able to shoot from outside, it helps my game because you have to guard me anywhere on the floor. And it helps my teammates because if I’m out on the perimeter, you can’t just stay in.”

And because he can shoot, Durr said, Woodson told him he would put Jackson-Davis and Durr on the floor at the same time. That would seem to go against Woodson’s overall game plan of going four-out, one-in, but if one or both of them show enough perimeter comfort as shooters and ball-handlers, it would at least be possible.

“We’re definitely playing together,” Dunn said. “Being a force in the Big Ten with both of us.”

30 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I'm personally not too worried about what he did at NU. They had a limited roster and in order to maximize talent that meant a lot of time playing the three. 

We have guards who are good rebounders and one of, if not the, best rebounders in the conference in TJD. If teams want to attack Kopp by having their secondary post player shoot jump hooks, have at it. Not many teams are going to beat you if that's their best attack on offense. 

We’ll see.  I’m sure he’ll get some time at the 4 here and there, but I think he’ll play mostly at the 3.

1 hour ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i agree, but i am pretty confident Race has a lot more potential to shoot with decent range than Durr.  that's all i'm saying.  i'd be shocked to see Durr and Jackson-Davis play together, but i guess you never know.  

Tbh, I think I might be more confident in TJD shooting from deep than Race at this point. Based on Mike Woodson’s comments about TJD stepping out and hitting jumpers, I wouldn’t be surprised to see TJD at the 4 and Durr at the 5 at least sometimes.

2 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

Is 6'3, 6'5, 6'5, 6'7, 6'9 really playing small ball in modern basketball? I'd say Kopp fits the starting 4 profile of the two top seeds in the West at a minimum. He'd be right in line with the guys who played 4 for Baylor as well. Heck, even the Warriors throughout their dynasty and even now played "small." 

I think the team we want to be and the makeup of this roster dictates we are more likely to play how those teams play than how a team like the Lakers or Illinois play. I think size is turning into a nice to have in basketball, but length, versatility and the ability the space the floor are must haves if you want to win at a high level. 

Not necessarily when you’re just listing off their heights, but I’m not sure Kopp fits the profile of a 4.  First off, from what I’ve seen, 6’7 is a pretty generous listing for Kopp.  And based on the videos I’ve watched, it doesn’t look like he was playing the 4 for Northwestern much at all last season.  Looked much more like a 3 than a 4 to me.

That’s not to say there’s no way he could play the 4.  With the way college basketball is trending and how Mike Woodson may want to play, he very well could, and he’d provide some much needed shooting at that spot.  But he’d certainly be an undersized 4, especially in the Big Ten, and I think it would be tough for him on defense and really tough for him on the glass (averages less than 3 rpg for his career).  Right now, my money’s still on Race starting at the 4.

1 minute ago, NCHoosier32 said:

Race is a tremendous shooter with excellent range compared to Durr

Really not sure how you can call a player who’s shot 21% from three (6/28) and 62% from the line in his three-year career anything other than a “complete non-shooter”... but I guess the message boards say he was a great shooter in high school, lol. 

3 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i can't imagine having 2 complete non shooters starting together with how the game is played today.  i am really glad we got Durr, but can't see how he can get many minutes with how many minutes TJD will play and them not playing together.  better than having Race or Duncomb at the 5 when TJD is out for sure.  

Unless Geronimo makes a huge jump or Mike Woodson decides to start a small ball lineup with Kopp at the 4 and TJD at the 5, there are going to be non-shooters starting at both forward spots.

1 hour ago, tdhoosier said:

There's no way we were going to get a 10 and 10 big to come here and agree to play behind Trayce. Woody is good but he's not that good. 

This is what I’m wondering — does Durr have a chance to start alongside TJD, or will TJD and Race be starting with Durr coming off the bench?  I lean toward the latter, but who knows.  Either way, the kid will be getting meaningful minutes and should be a huge upgrade over a geriatric Joe Brunk.

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

He took 2 total dribbles in that entire video in a half court setting though. 

Everything else in the half court was off reb/spot up 3. 

He screams 4 to me. 

Yet another player in what seems like a long line of IU forwards who fans mistakenly think can play at the guard/wing spot, haha. Geronimo just isn’t a 3 in the college game — won’t be able to handle the ball or create off the dribble like he’d need to to play there.  But he really is the perfect 4.