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5 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=103486.120

All that b****ing about the Celtics roster, and Langford doesn’t even get a mention.... Ouch, haha.

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Stevens didn’t go after top recruits, but ones that he thought were strong. Though could change if he comes to IU, since he was in the Horizon League  nearly a decade ago

Would be interesting to see what he would in recruiting. Would definitely have to recruit differently than he did at Butler.

Just now, BADGERVOL said:

Someone asked what kind of recruiter Stevens is. Idk that answer but I would assume that him being successful at both levels will make him VERY attractive to potential recruits.

Add his connections, credibility, like ability, and the fact he’d have IU behind him...he’d kill it. He’d have a seat at virtually any kitchen table in America.

I hadn’t even really realized he’s been in the league for EIGHT years now.  That’s big time name recognition, and he’s coached a bunch of NBA stars.  He’s recruiting whoever he wants.

1 minute ago, IUwins0708 said:

Yes sir

Well, well, well... Look who’s back.

1 hour ago, Ferg 32 said:

 

The “N” in “Andy” would’ve already been on the board.  Flawed meme.

But as a Bears fan, the Russell Wilson fiasco has thankfully brought me down to Earth on the Stevens hype.  It ain’t happening — too many obstacles.

7 minutes ago, dbmhoosier said:

I will I think you and I were both wrong on Dolson.  He has balls.  Not just Fred's yes man as I thought. 

Agree with this.  I thought the same thing about Dolson, but the way he’s handled this thus far has been impressive.  Pulling the trigger on Archie, then going out and finding one donor to bankroll the buyout and another to bankroll the next coach is definitely ballsy.  Good to see.

Agree with @IUwins0708 that Iowa is in a better position than OSU now — I hadn’t looked at OSU’s resume since before last week.

@JugRox I would say that Illinois is in a better position than Alabama and much better position than WVU right now, but conference tournaments could change that.

4 minutes ago, JugRox said:

I think Iowa, Purdue, Wisconsin, and Maryland are a little bit to good of a seed?

Michigan #1

Illinois #2

Ohio State #2

Iowa #3

Purdue #5

Wisconsin #6

Maryland #7

Rutgers #9

Michigan State #11

Gonzaga, Michigan, and Baylor look like locks for #1 seeds.  Who’s the fourth #1 seed if not Illinois or OSU?

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I've noticed it for awhile. There's just an overall appearance of a lack of enthusiasm. Even dating back to previous years when it would be a big game and the Hall would be packed, during the starters being announced our guys walk out like they're completely board out of their minds. 

Starts at the top — Archie looks and acts the exact same way.  

6 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Good deal for Maryland today....helps us since we beat them. Beat Sparty on Tuesday and I think people will inch back up in those seats by the weekend.

My comment isn't a cause for a status of the program talk....just saying right now we have a chance. Get Tuesday and see what happens. NCAA will take 9 from the Big 10. Why not us be #9 instead of Sparty? 

If we beat MSU this week, going to West Lafayette with a tournament bid on the line is going to be quite the emotional affair... And the game’s at 2 p.m. on a Saturday?  Mods have to be losing sleep thinking about that, lol.

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

So apparently Underwood's greatness was a tad premature as well as Izzo's death. 

Smart a-- comments aside....are the Illini closer to OT wins vs Nebraska and single digit wins vs Northwestern? Or what? Not sure what to think about them. I know I'm on a crusade....or maybe it's just life in the Big 10. Tough crew to figure out. 

Acceptance is the first step. 

On 2/18/2021 at 5:27 PM, 5fouls said:

They rank much higher in my book.  If you take out all the 'Academies' and 'Preps', which I do, they would be Top 5.    

Spartans that good huh?  Always like to hear that as a Homestead grad.

We were never any good when I was there in the late 2000s, but Johnson appears to really have them rolling since Biggie got there.  I think he’s started recruiting.  Before Biggie, the only other Homestead grad of any note in basketball was Grant Leiendecker.

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I would rather never win another championship if it means cheating

Fortunately for you, I’m sure IU’s administration will make sure you get your wish.  Enjoy the losing!

7 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I digested it and puked it up...

It's BS pure and simple...Cheating is not ok...

Tell that to 8 out of the last 12 national champions (at least).

2 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

So cheating is ok with you? Does that extend to every facet of your life? 

Winning without integrity isn't really winning...

This mentality is exactly why IU is where it is right now, and things aren’t going to change until it’s been abandoned by the university and the fanbase.  I’m a firm believer in the proposition that cheating in college basketball recruiting is the exact equivalent of speeding on the highway.  There are no penalties and everyone does it.  College basketball is entertainment, pure and simple — as long as no one’s getting hurt, I could care less about “integrity.”  I might feel differently if paying recruits wasn’t a foundational aspect of the entire sport from pretty much its inception, or if there were actual consequences for “breaking the rules.”

5 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

The only big part I'll agree with on is that Underwood is benefitting from Covid i.e. players not going pro and that he's nowhere near they level of coach that his record (this year only) suggests. 

You've mentioned my logic a few times. I put mine out there on the why and what I think of Underwood....please tell me why you think he's some coaching savant? Builder of programs? Also please make you specifically say why he's better than Archie and also...why he had NCAA problems at Stephen F, Kansas St, Oklahoma St,etc...and it appears that's ok with you. 

10 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

Just a general comment from this IU fan. For the life of me can we please stop saying Underwood at Illinois is building a good program? Half his fan base wanted him fired last year after losses to Miami and Missouri.

The only reason they aren't battling Maryland and Northwestern for records this year is because Ayo was A)not developed enough to still get drafted B) Covid hit and C)Kofi wasn't developed enough or D) Covid hit...

Underwood is the recipient of some very lucky times....but please don't anyone think he's developing a program. Antigua went back to his ways. Got Kofi out of nowhere when the fanbase wanted him gone. When Antigua leaves again....Illinois will go back to the 6-14 ways.

PS...Underwood. Stephen F, Kansas St, Oklahoma St...and I can say 50/50 right now on when Illinois lands in trouble. The guy isn't changing his spots. 

Rant over. Sorry. 

You said here that Illinois is only good either because Underwood didn’t develop Dosunmu and Cockburn, or because he got just got lucky they stayed because of COVID.  So which is it in your mind?  And you’ve been on the crusade that Underwood sucks and is going to be hurt in recruiting because he couldn’t develop Dosunmu into a pro for more than a year now, lol.

Underwood’s done a better job at Illinois than Archie has at IU because he’s recruited better than Archie and won more than Archie.  As desperate as IU fans are right now to act like winning actually doesn’t matter at all in college basketball, you really don’t have to look at anything beyond the fact that Illinois is on pace for two top five finishes in the conference in the past two seasons and IU hasn’t been anywhere close to that.  Then you have the fact that Underwood had that success after he changed his system when he realized it wasn’t going to cut it in the Big Ten (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/court-report-illinois-is-ncaa-tournament-bound-because-brad-underwood-admitted-defeat-and-changed-his-style/amp/).  It’s looking more likely that pigs will fly than Archie will consider doing something like that.

And yes, I am clearly on the record that I do not care at all about “cheating” in college basketball recruiting.  I’d be thrilled to have a coach who was allowed to do whatever it takes to put a winning team on the floor, so the Stephen F. Austin/Oklahoma State stuff is irrelevant to me.

2 hours ago, rico said:

I love it when someone points out recruiting rankings in a discussion.  Nothing like speculating on speculation.

Not quite sure what you’re getting at here.  A big part of this “Underwood sucks” argument is that Cockburn and Dosunmu came back for a second and third year because Underwood didn’t develop them into pros despite the fact that they were highly ranked recruits.  I don’t really agree with that argument, but that’s the logic being used... And if it it applies to Underwood, it should apply to Archie as well, no?

23 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

So basically Illinois has a kid like Ayo and Northwestern doesn't. Razor thin margin in the perception game of Big 10 hoops. Another single digit win for Illinois.

Be careful on how you fill out those brackets this March gang. I can see Illinois leaving early. Fun chats with all. Time to go shovel again!

Lol... “Underwood isn’t building a good program because Illinois wouldn’t be good if they didn’t have their two best players” is a pretty hilarious take.

In this hypothetical world where teams don’t have their best players, you take TJD off of IU and IU is still in a way worse position than Illinois.  Will you be saying the same thing about IU next year if TJD comes back for a third year because Archie “failed to develop him?”  (Remember, TJD was a higher ranked recruit than both Cockburn and Dosunmu.)

First time watching Michigan this year.  This Dickinson kid is a freshman?  He looks like he’s 40.

On 12/22/2020 at 1:25 PM, FKIM01 said:

It's depressing because the people posting here are overly pessimistic. I do believe IU is a lot closer to winning the Big Ten than they were five years ago.  Don't see it happening this year, but the gap has been closed a lot since Archie got here.  If that trend continues, it won't be long.

IU won the Big Ten 5 years ago.

48 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

No, I'm saying he responded to a comparison to Garza by humbly saying he's not on Garza's level...and he's not. 

I can guarantee that’s not what he was saying... and I’d be disappointed if he did.

Obviously looking at it objectively, Garza clearly had a better season than TJD all around, but TJD was probably better defensively.  And when they went head to head, Garza got his, but TJD dropped 17-10 and walked away with the dub.  No way would TJD ever say Garza is better than him, nor should he.  Garza is not that much more superior to him.

16 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I interpreted that response as him saying "I'm not THAT good," not as a reference to how long he'd be in school. 

 

On a side note, I find it hilarious how many IU fans are desperately hoping Garza doesn't come back next season. 

Regardless of the reality, no elite college basketball player would ever respond to a statement questioning his ability to go pro by saying “I’m not good enough.”  Especially one with pro aspirations like TJD.

You really think TJD doesn’t believe he’s good enough to go pro?

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

I'm sure others can find and post the actual tweet. I can't remember if the guy who tweeted is a member on here or not so I'll just replay it. Baumgart guy says he thinks people would be surprised how likely he thinks TJD could come back for his Junior year...comparing him and numbers to Luke Garza. Little bit of time goes by and TJD made fun of the tweet basically saying bad take. I think we should enjoy TJD this year and that's about it.

If he wants wants to go pro after next season no matter what, more power to him.  But unless his game takes a huge jump next year, I’d be pretty surprised if he’s a first round pick in 2021.  I think Baumgart is mostly right... The athleticism and jump shot the NBA is looking for just aren’t really there.

53 minutes ago, Tom said:

Absolutely. From Day 1 the student section will sound like an FSU football game.

Tbh, I bet if you polled the student body, less than 10% would be able to associate the name Geronimo with Native Americans.