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Really liked the additions we made. Thought Sabonis was outstanding the first game. Gonna be a fun one tonight. 

Pacers looked realllly good tonight. 

41 minutes ago, FKIM01 said:

I'm confused...your first sentence and last sentence seem to be in conflict?

My bad. Didn't convey that very well. So if you take a look at Vic's career progression his shooting / 3pt shooting has progressed steadily every year. He obviously took a major jump last season and scored 1.3 points per shot and took 17.9 shots per game which banked him 23.1ppg. That was the key part I left out and where the 15-15.5 shots per game came from. My mistake. We're probably a year or two away from his prime, so for him not to break 22 points per game he would have to take fewer shots than last season and/or regress in efficiency. He should still have a level or two to jump so if he's at 22 something definitely went wrong. I don't think there's a chance in hell of that happening. It's more probable that he approaches 20 shots and maintains his %'s and maybe slightly lowers them rather than the team taking shots away from him.

I think he can max out around 50%, 40%, and 85% (47, 37, and 80 last season) on about 15/16 shots  but I don't think he'll do that because he's young, it's his team, and he has a point to prove so I'm expecting closer to 20 shots.

I think 24 is the 'real' O/U.

Just ran some goofy numbers and it's going to be almost impossible for Vic to not break 22 PPG. 

Points per shot by year.. 

1.29

1.14

1.185

1.185

1.179

He'd have to take around 15-15.5 shots a game and that's never going to happen. 

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

So, my one game into the season overreaction, the Sixers are worse than last season. When losing Illyasova and Belinelli, they lost the shooting that made them so effective the second half of last season. 

Unless Fultz somehow turns into a legit star, which I don’t think is going to happen, they have some real problems. Not enough reliable scoring and playmakers, and they don’t have a single guard, in a guards league, that scares you. 

To me Ben Simmons is weird. He’s a freak athlete, he’s incredibly skilled with the ball and he puts up monster stat lines, but as an opponent he doesn’t scare me at all. It’s sort of like Matt Ryan, he’s going to retire with huge numbers, maybe some better than Manning, Brady and Brees, but when playing the Falcons I’m not like, “oh crap, we have to go against Matt Ryan, we don’t have a chance!”

 

Agree with you on the Sixers being worse. I think they'll take the 4 seed with Indy 3. Simmons is a weird one for sure. I have a different take on him (we're both still educated guessing right now). I think he's going to be a legitimate star in the league and he'll break out this season. That's a fair shout on the deluded stat line, but I think he's got the IT factor and his stats are more 'legitimate' than say Westbrooks (probably harsh on Russ but I think you get the idea of what I'm alluding too. 

It's insane how good he is considering he won't even attempt a three and we still have no idea what his real shooting hand is. Mind boggling stuff.

I'd feel comfortable betting a sizable amount that Vic clears 22 ppg. He's showed steady improvement every year since he's came in the league in almost every category and I don't see any reason why that would stop. Unless we're expecting him to shoot 50/40/85 I just don't see any way that he doesn't put up enough volume to cover that easily. 

4/$80 million extension for Myles Turner. 

I suppose that's pretty fair in this market.

2 hours ago, FW_Hoosier said:

Good to see him getting more of a green light, although those aren’t great shooting percentages.  Hopefully the new coaching staff in Toronto finds ways to get him more involved in the offense than he was last year.

During the game they had someone from the front office (I think it was front office) and they said OG would have more freedom in the offense next season.

Saw a report saying the Mavs expecting Yogi to accept the 2.9m qualifying offer. Glad to see Yogi making a decent little career in the association.

That about sums it up for me too Kob. It’s a great move for Boogie and a good move for GS as well. I thought they’d get Dwight which would have made them better than them adding Boogie (come playoff time that may or may not be true) so in a weird way this deal should be a relief to Warriors haters ironically enough lol.

Agree with you too HH. Good deal for the Pels.

3 hours ago, NotIThatLives said:

I don't get the hype.  He'll most likely be half the player he was by January???

Imagine trying to double the post with KD, Steph, and Klay out there. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the game. Even at 70% he’s all-star caliber and they got him for 5.3m lol.

woj 💣

I’m just happy Doncic didn’t go to Sac.

To be fair...he was the one who got Blatt fired and had Lue put in so that’s on you lebron. Still though, I’ve always suspected Lue was average at Best

Lebron is also dealing with a dope of a coach. The footage was released of the moments after the JR blunder and Lebron found out Lue had a timeout and didn’t call it and was devestated. 

Who’d have thought that JR would out do the you trying to get the pipe DM?! Instead he tops it with one of the biggest blunders I’ve ever seen.

https://streamable.com/39w2h

One of my favorite memes.

55 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

To me the only team that Lebron had to face that was better than any team the Jordan had to face is the Warriors.  I would take Portland, Seattle, Utah and Phoenix over any team in this era except for the Warriors.  In the east the Pistons,  Pacers, Knicks and Miami after Riley went there are better than most of the teams in this era.

Those spurs team would beat every team Jordan beat handily IMO. 

51/8/8 and has no shot. It pisses me off. I hope he goes to Houston at this point.

Lebron might legitimately average 40-45 10/8 and get swept.

Over under 1.5 w for Cavs?

1 minute ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

OK I'm sorry at least one of these refs is dirty. Blatant foul after blatant foul ignored. Same ref has 'missed' 3 calls in a row. 

That ref hates harden...one sec I’ll find the proof

COME ON ROCKETS. Warriors probably a pickem with live betting down 11 at the half. Crazy.

14/1/4 for EJ. 

Gordon came to hoop today. Playing well and confident as hell.

14 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I couldn't care less about any of those stats.  All I care about is win/loss percentage, TO differential, Shooting percentages, defensive shooting percentages  Usually if you score more points than you score you will win the game and I don't need all of these new metrics to tell me why you won.  To me if you take good open looks I don't care if it is a layup, a 10 foot shot, a 15 foot shot or a 3. If you run your offense to get open looks you should hit a great percentage if you are a professional player.  I just see to many teams trying to shoot only 3's or layups and taking bad and contested shots causing your percentage to go down

I completely understand what you’re saying. I was always a huge stat guy but it’s been diluted to a degree. Points per possession is the culmination of all of that though. That’s really all that matters on the offensive side of it not PPG. 

I was big on the layup or threes offense years ago, before it was mainstream , and I think now it’s gotten a bit out of hand. The midrange / the occasional long two has value that’s not being exploited right now but it will as the game will always evolve and teams will figure out a way to exploit the things that aren’t being exploited now.

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