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The first game this upcoming season that Aaron Holiday starts and/or gets 30 mins, I will be ecstatic. I will say he ends up with 15 points, 4 rebounds and 7 assists in his first game with at least 28 mins this upcoming season.

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who knows, not sure why. My guess is he was buried behind collison, cojo, evans and coach felt those three gave him a better opportunity to win. Nate IMO is on the hot seat this year if they don't put points on the board, two years tops if Nate continues to struggle with scoring points. Yes should Aaron of played you bet your rear end. My guess is Pacers are regretting it now. Shoulda coulda woulda

So say we make playoffs for next 5 years and end up with picks 18-23, no guarantee you get something good there. Can always buy a draft pick later in 1st rd if pacers really like someone

If Sabonis plus something else(McDermott and a 2nd rd pick) can net you something similar to a guy like Aaron Gordon then I say do it all damn day. You improve by getting a starting PF that can guard the perimeter, put the ball on the floor, shoot, score and be aggressive, now of course this comes with the assumption that say Goga really turns heads this season assuming he gets decent minutes. If Goga plays solid his rookie year, I am ALL for finding that starting PF. A lineup something similar to Brogdon/Victor/Warren/Aaron Gordon/Turner would be really fun and really good. Add in Holiday/Lamb/Leaf/Goga off the bench and mix n match some starters with them that's a very well rounded yet very good team

With dealing a 1st to the Bucks to seal the deal in terms of getting Brogdon to Indy, I really do not see the Pacers trading another future 1st rd pick in the near future unless they acquire a 1st somehow. They have yet to release what year the draft picks we sent to the Bucks will be.

It would take way more than just two future 1st rd picks and Aaron Holiday to get KAT in return.

When the Griz asked for Holiday plus picks for Conley, the pacers said no because they didn't want to part with Holiday, Conley is still one of the top point guards in the league even though he is on the way down. When they did dangle Aaron Holiday at one point for Aaron Gordon the Magic were highly considering it prior to the trade deadline last season but they were able to get Fultz without giving up Aaron Gordon.

Pacers won't trade Holiday unless they are absolutely blown away with an amazing offer. I agree with this statement above. I see Sabonis on his way out near trade deadline. If Goga comes in and shines, then we are having a different discussion. Goga is an almost exact replica of Turner from what scouts have said(mobile, 3 pt shooter, rim protector, etc)

right now with their remaining money I think you have to do either or, won't be able to get two quality guys without someone being traded

while Vic is out: Guards - Brogdon, Lamb, Holiday, Sumner/add another SG/SF combo guy Forwards - Warren, McDermott, Sabonis, Turner, Goga or Leaf. Pacers must really believe Sumner can be something off the bench in bench minutes. I see the next move being a SG/SF if in free agency which would compete as the 4th guard with Sumner until Vic returns. IF a move is made, they will move Sabonis at trade deadline for a true PF that can stretch the floor.

Currently the Pacers(Nates lets be honest here) 9 man rotation as I type this: Guards - Brogdon, Victor, Holiday, Lamb Forwards - Warren, McDerrmott, Sabonis, Turner, Goga or Leaf Sumner, Alize, one of Leaf or Goga will not get too many meaningful minutes. Nate likes a 9 man rotation, especially in the Playoffs. If the Pacers do not make any other changes or experience any major injuries this season my 9 man rotation is: Starters - Brogdon/Vic/Warren/Sabonis/Turner......Bench Holiday/Lamb/McDermott/Goga

Remember Brogdon can play either PG or SG. Vic/Brogdon/Holiday as your first three guards assuming Holiday continues to improve will be a very scary trio in the years to come. All three are/can be interchangeable at the point guard or shooting guard spot.

I agree I think our bench is def a weak spot. I would like to see them bring in say sefalosha(spelling error on my part I believe) to play at SG or SF or Jae Crowder to play at PF or SF. Once Vic comes back, if they bring him back slow off the bench, it looks like Holiday/Vic/McDermott/Leaf or Warren/Goga would be solid.

Age wise yes they are 4th youngest however they still have a good chunk of experience. But I respectfully disagree about a lot of growing pains. Maybe the first few weeks becoming familiar with new teammates their will be some pains learning each other, however when you look at the players on team a lot of them have been in the league more than 4 years or at least are entering their 4th year. Myles, Victor, McDermott, Lamb, Sabonis, Brogden and Warren are all entering at a min their 4th year in the league. Only guys under 3 years or at a min are entering their 3rd year would be Alize, Leaf, Holiday, Sumner and Goga.

Plus about $3 mil in regular salary as well after the Sumner signing so between $7 and $8 mil remaining in total.

As of 7/2, lets look at how the playoff teams from 2018-2019 in the East have faired thus far into the 2019-2020 offseason without the addition of rookies. Teams outside of the playoffs last season that I think will jump into the 2019-2020 playoffs will be the Hawks. I think the Pistons fall out and the Hawks replace them. Nets - Key Adds Garrett Temple, DeAndre Jordan, Irving, Durant. Key Loses D'Angelo Russell, DeMarre Carroll, Ed Davis Boston - Key Adds Ernes Kanter, Kemba Walker. Key loses Irving, Horford and Rozier Pacers - Key Adds Jeremy Lamb, Malcom Brogdon, TJ Warren. Key loses Thad, Bojan, Collison, CoJo 76ers - Key Adds O'Quinn, Horford. Key loses Redick and Butler Bucks - Key Adds Robin Lopez, Wes Mathews. Key loses Brogdon. Orlando - Key Adds Aminu. Key loses Pistons - Key Adds Rose. Key loses Ellington, Ish Smith Raptors - Key Adds TBD. Key loses potentially Leonard, Danny Green, Jeremy Lin On paper right now for the teams above the Nets, Pacers and Bucks are winners right now according to a lot of people in the league or analysts. The losers are possibly the Raptors(Leonard outcome will determine if they are losers or winners), 76ers(IMO losing Redick really hurts and Butler too even though he is a major headache the guy can score and play good defense) and MAYBE Boston with losing Irving(depending how you view Irving compared to Kemba) and Horford. Not messing with the West since my favorite team is in the East lol

No worries, glad to help. Love these discussions. Also you can look at it this way that: Best to worst on team(Guards) - Oladipo/Brogdon/Holiday(Potential)/Curry/Sumner Depth Chart(SF) - Warren/Lamb/McDerrmott Curry would be the 4th best guard on our team whereas Lamb would be the 2nd best SF on the team. RIght now Lamb is probably better than Holiday if you wanted to group him as a guard but after this season Holiday will be better than Lamb IMO. This.... All entering their prime for sure with Brogdon having the highest ceiling of the 3

Curry 6'2", last 3 seasons played(15-16, 16-17, 18-19) 9.3 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.7 APG, 43% 3pt(on 684 attempts), 46% FG%, 28 years old Lamb 6'5", last 3 seasons played(16-17,17-18,18-19) 12.6 PPG, 4.6 RBP, 1.9 APG, 34% 3pt( on 730 attempts), 45% FG%, 26 years old Lamb can play SG or SF. Curry limited to SG(not a primary ball handler although he can play small minutes as a PG). Curry the better 3 pt shooter. Lamb better defender. Curry def has a better deal, however Lamb can play more positions of need and is a little more versatile IMO. @NotIThatLives Thoughts?

Lamb is the #2 right now. Depth chart as of right now till Vic returns: Starters - Brogdon/Lamb/Warren/Sabonis/Turner Bench - Holiday/Sumner or another player/McDerrmott/Leaf/Goga. Add another SG via free agency. Remember, Brodgon can play either PG or SG. Warren can play either SF or PF. Lamb can play either SG or SF. This team can slide players all over the place with their length and quickness

My top 7 right now assuming Kawhi leaves: 1.) Bucks 2.) 76ers 3.) Nets 4.) Boston 5.) Pacers 6.) Raptors 7.) Hawks

the 1st rd pick would likely be between 18 and 23 like in years past. Pacers could always buy their way in should they really like someone in the draft that they do not have a 1st rd pick. Pacers improved yesterday. Yes we lost a lot of leadership, however they improved their shooting, defense shooting and creating off the dribble. Overall I really like how yesterday turned out, plus the Pacers still have about $5.5 mil left prior to hitting the cap and the room exception at $4.7. Pacers also got younger Thad/Bojan/DC were all 30/31 where as Warren/Lamb/Brogdon are all 26/27. Vic is is 27, Myles and Sabonis are younger, Holiday is like 23. Right now the 8 playoff teams for the East are: Nets/Bucks/Raptors(depending what Kawhi does)/76ers/Celtics/Pacers/Hawks/Pistons. If Pacers maintain playoff positioning all next season while VIc is out and Vic returns to say 90% of what he was pre-injury, this team will be a top 4 team in the East with the chance to improve moving forward. .

Its all but certain that if Bojan returns to Indy that Rubio will be in Indiana as the PG until Aaron Holiday is ready to start. What is the P's next move after those two? There is a void to fill at SG until Vic returns, then sliding to backup SG when Vic is ready to start. I have not seen where the Pacers have expressed interest in ANY shooting guards. Only guys I have seen the Pacers linked to via social media by very respectable guys with NBA insight are the following below. Feel free to add to the list as you see on social media whom the Pacers have interest in. Pacers interest according to reputable NBA sources(Wojo type of sources not regular John Does that think they know something when they are just mentioning Indiana due to our salary cap situation): SF - Bojan PG - D'Angelo Russell PG - Ricky Rubio PF - Tobias Harris(I only saw 1 mention from a respectable NBA source about Harris but this was before the draft so with drafting Goga does that cancel their interest who knows, other three above have been mentioned by more than 1 respectable NBA source).

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This could work due to the Pacers having salary cap relief and extra 2nd rd picks however not sure what player they would send out, Leaf or McDermott possibly? I would be fine with this trade, Gordon is on the books for around $14 mil this upcoming year and resign Bojan at $18 mil that puts us right at our $32.5 spending money available. You could then use the MLE on say Rubio. I like this lineup below a lot, I would send McDermott and a few of our new 2nd rd picks. PG - Rubio/Holiday SG - Oladipo/Gordon/Sumner SF - Bojan/Warren PF - Sabonis/Leaf C - Turner/Goga