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By recruiting over, I mean, "Armaan, you got a week to be in. If you cannot make up your mind in that time, I am going to act like you are a recruit. Which means if I only have one more space left that I want to fill with a guard and you are not ready to commit, I am taking the kid that wants to be here and I am making the decision for you."

That kind of rubs me the wrong way. I think he is going to be a heck of a player, but if I'm Woodson, you got another week man. And by the way, until you are committed, I am going to be looking to recruit over you. If another guy comes in and we are out of spaces, best of luck young man.

Painter would have had an aneurysm.

Wow...if everyone but those two changed their mind fo stay overnight, then that was quite the recruiting job by Woodson. I think Geronimo would be the toughest of these two to retain based on what we have heard.

Who is going to be harder to deal with? 18-22 year old basketball playing college students or 19-24 year old basketball playing millionaires? I think the latter would be a little more difficult than the former. I am sure that Woodson has developed some good people skills over the years. The NBA guys that talk favorably of him all say he was a good dude without having to blow smoke up their ass. He will be fine. Edit to add: I responded to you but I was just building off what you said. Miller is 20 years younger and couldn't get through to the team. It is not about age, it is personality.

This makes no sense. Literally could have made this hire the day we fired Miller. Why the hell did they wait this long? We could have already been recruiting our own players to stay and also hitting the transfer portal. This is just a meh hire to me. Dolson gets a D+ from me on the hire. Hopefully it turns out but my word this was about as underwhelming as it gets.

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/landers-father-says-hes-keeping-option-to-return-open-still-glad-he-reclassified/ Not a real ringing endorsement of Miller towards the end of the article there IMO.

Yeah, if we can get a core of guys to stick around, this doesn't have to be a total rebuild. I think a good system and a good coach could do well with TJD, Franklin, Race, Lander, Phinisee, Galloway, Leal, Geronimo, Duncomb, Brunk? and then a couple of transfers. Do we compete for titles? Probably not. But with the right growth over the summer, the right system, and the right buy in, that could be a tournament team next year. I want the whole team to stick around if we can. I want these guys to get a chance to play in a system and for a coach where they can actually enjoy being here. I think that is completely possible IF we keep the core pieces here and bring in the right guy to run the show.

And really TJD is somewhat in a transfer portal if we are being honest as well, he will be weighing going pro...he could come back, but it is a similar situation to these other guys. So we have 80% of our starting line up thinking of being somewhere else next year. Man, just speaking for myself, I can't do the start of the Crean era again. Dolson better know what he is doing.

Short answer, yes.

Yes, you see things for what they are and the rest of us are imbeciles. All due respect man, we all can comprehend what you are saying just fine. We just think you are wrong. I agree with you on some of the coaching names thrown out there. I do think some of the names are out there. As far as me "getting what I deserve" when it comes to IU basketball, what should I get? Not getting to really enjoy the NCAA tournament because IU is not playing in it? Well I have been getting that for the past five years. Seeing Indiana finish towards the bottom of the BIG? Ditto. (This is where you tell me we finished 6th in Archie's first year which is technically the top half...yippee). Seeing a bunch of losing basketball? Seen that happen 55 times since Miller hit campus and that is with 2 shortened seasons and the 4th season not even complete yet. Me "getting what I deserve" cannot get much worse than what I have been getting. "But injuries and COVID and things that every program deals with..." Yes, I know, that and some statistical improvements that have not led to wins are the aforementioned things that we peons cannot comprehend.

You are talking Rutgers/Nebraska on an Indiana message board. Getting bent out of shape that people would look at a game between two bottom feeder programs on an Indiana board through an IU lens is non-sensical. If we were doing well and Scott said something along the lines of us being able to roll both these teams should we meet up in the BTT, you wouldn't care. We are not playing well and you are a sunshine pumper (nothing wrong with that, it is what it is) and the fact that we have reached a place where most people think there is zero sunshine to be pumped is annoying to you. Fair enough. You got mad at the Lander thread and the criticism there, you were reaching for something to be positive about when the way he has been used and played this year is kind of negative. My advice, every Indiana board right now is going to be negative, if it is going to bug you that much, might be a good time to take a break for a few weeks and see what happens with the coach.

I don't want to poop on your thread, but you are basically saying, "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? Why you have to keep talking about that when I am trying to discuss the acting in Act 2?" As for Scott taking a shot at Indiana, he stated a fact. It was a fact that wasn't really great for IU, but a fact nonetheless. This is an Indiana based site. Most posters are going to approach every basketball related topic in an Indiana University tinted view.

And Tom was in school when I was IIRC. So it has been at least 20 years.

Who is the last guy we got out of LN? Have had several good players roll through that school who have chosen to go elsewhere over the years.

To a degree, I get it. I hate the way these announcements are done these days...but they are what they are. They will keep happening as long as 30, 40, and 50 year old men have countdowns on the decisions of 16, 17, and 18 year olds.

We have a game tomorrow and we don't even have an Illinois pregame thread up yet. I think the problem you run into is that once the coach loses a fan, none of the other stuff feels as important. The other topics have an "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln" vibe to them for some. It is kind of why I have cut down on posting, not much to say at the moment.

I watched some of his highlights. Looked like the majority of his game is as a slasher to the rim. Are we recruiting him as a 2 or a 3? I like the ability to take it to the rim but we really need some guys out there that are a true threat from deep. I have not seen him play, so not sure how much of his game is shooting. I see a big piece is being athletic and getting to the rim for sure.

Sounds like we were on him first, sometimes that goes a long way with a kid. I do not believe Miller should be willing to concede any corner of this state to anyone anymore. We took Phinissee from Purdue's literal backyard.

Was Ohio State in the mix? Much better to see him playing against the Badgers or Hawkeyes than for them....particularly the former. Wisconsin and Purdue are 2 programs that I am ready to go on a "sick and blanking tired" Knight rant about.

I agree that getting guys in that area above 80 more regularly helps push you into that upper echelon...but, hear me out, I think we need to build ourselves back to that. Miller is pulling in Wisconsin level guys. If he is able to get recent Wisconsin level results, then I believe that is where the Indiana brand can kick in again and start helping us land those bigger fish. This took over 20 years to break, it will take a little while to fix.

Putting in work during a hard period to recruit. Welcome aboard kid.

I have seen 6'8 to 6'9 for his height. Anyone know if he is expected to keep growing? If we were to land him, it would be nice if he were more in the 6'10 to 6'11 range. Also, is the current height legitimate or is it the usual where they say 6'8 but they go off to get measured by the pros and are actually a shade over 6'6?

Dan is an entertainer. He is like a WWE wrestler who switches from face to heel as the need arises. He'll spend one day talking, in very derogatory terms, about the IU players and staff, and then come back the next day and chide the fans for saying the exact same things he was saying the day before. And that gets people to pay attention to him. Love him or hate him, you have to give him some kudos for what he does. Some of the most biting criticism has come from Dakich. He is a former player with a fairly big megaphone in the largest market in the state. He does way more damage to the IU brand on his daily show than any knucklehead fan on Twitter or a message board. And the thing about him, is he says this stuff and you don't really even know if there is conviction behind it. He slams the coaching staff and then slams the fans for slamming the coaching staff. I at least prefer the earnestness of fans having an opinion over a talking head cynically putting a finger to the wind to see how to get listeners....

We basically need Hunter and a one of either RP or some other guard to be a consistent threat from outside. If we get that, I think Brunk can be a garbage guy down low and TJD has shown he can be hard to handle when given some space down low.