Steubenhoosier

3 hours ago, KoB2011 said:

We are currently tracking towards the worst IU team in your lifetime, sans Crean's first three years. If you think that is the best anyone could do with this group then that's a whole different indictment for a team with our recruiting and NIL budget.

 

During his lifetime....yes.

The 76-77 team ended with a record of 14-13 that was adjusted to 16-11 because Minnesota had to forfeit all their games, including two wins against us. This included a 17 point beatdown by Purdue in AH.

Yes, we were coming off what should have been 2 consecutive undefeated seasons, and RMK certainly had earned a down year, but that still doesn't explain away the fact that when a team loses a huge amount of talent, like both that team and this year's team, there is going to be a drop off. Has CMW deserved to see it through this year? I think so. We'll end up better than 14-13, for sure. Did RMK's system suddenly not work, or had he not built a good roster? What do you think?

And before you bring up the talent on this team, that 76-77 team still had an All-American in Benson. Woodson averaged 18.5 ppg as a freshman. Glen Grunwald, who RMK stated several times was the best player he ever recruited before he got hurt, was a freshman. Wayne Radford (RIP) was a solid player who was drafted and played for the Pacers. The team was not bereft of talent.

When a team was as dependent on one or two players as last year's was, and those guys leave, there absolutely is going to be an adjustment. Indictment or no, off seasons happen. And I happen to believe that this year does not mean that the state of IU basketball is falling off a cliff.

Just now, btownqb said:

It wasn't effective when they did run, though. 6 carries for 6 yards, outside of GE one 15 yard run. 

It's a thing why they got beat, Greenie is dumb to think it's THE thing on why they got beat. 2 RZ TOs affected the outcome much more than the lack of running back touches. 

Understand....but you often see in games that teams keep running the ball, even if not well, to slow down the rush. The Chiefs' pass rushers were just pinning their ears back. The Ravens' O-line didn't stand a chance.

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

They played the entire 2nd half down 2 scores. 

3 turnovers and 3 3 and outs. 

How can throwing the ball 37 times out of 53 total offensive plays be playing tight and scared, if you're the Ravens? They did have tons of time to get back in it, their lack of execution offensively sealed their fate, though. O cord-- didn't throw it into triple coverage in the RZ, he didn't fumble as he was running into the EZ, and he did not fumble in the pocket.... that's on the players. 

Greenie said that was the "hardest to understand" of all the things that happened yesterday? .. that's wild. That's dramatic, an alleged MVP candidate making a throw, an underthrow of all things, into triple coverage with the game on the line was massively harder to understand than not realizing how much game flow affected play calling. 

Agree with the horrendous decision to throw into triple coverage. Said to my son during the game that if the MVP votes haven't been cast yet, Lamar could have very well played himself out of contention.

38 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I disagree. IMO the offensive cordinator crapped the bed. They got down (but never more than two scores). They abandoned their identity and played right into Chiefs strength. They were successful when they ran it…they didn’t trust their team. They didn’t trust their defense to hold (when it did in the second half) and they didn’t trust themselves to play their strength. They played tight and scared. That game had tons of time for them to get back into it. It was never too far out of hand. SF got down big but they never went away from what they did…it was the right plan so they stayed the course and it eventually started working….actually so much so that Detroit freaked out they would milk out the clock and started going for it on 4th down.  Nobody stopped Baltimore running attack…except themselves. 

And, I'll add, the Ravens O-line could not hold up to the blitzes or even the 4 man rush from KC. Lamar was under constant pressure. Running the ball more frequently could very well have slowed down the pass rush, and made the Chief's front 7 honor the run game

3 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

How many years do you honestly think he has left?  5-7?

There are currently 5 coaches older than 70, with the oldest being 76.

At least 3 of them, Pitino, Leonard Hamilton, and Larranaga, are with P6 programs. If he wants to coach that long, no reason CMW can't coach another 7-8 years. 

2 minutes ago, rico said:

Uh, that be Whitko...lol

Autocorrect at its worst 

Let’s see how much impact Campbell has had on this team. Tough or not 

Just now, Parakeet Jones said:

People hosting Super Bowl parties should have Thanksgiving food if the Lions make it. 

I have a turkey with 9 legs, if that makes you feel better 

Where’s @jefftheref?

He lives in Michigan.

Can’t believe he’s not watching, even though he claims to be a Packer fan 

So, my wife mentioned Joe Montana, who played for the 69ers.

 I think I may be in for a good night!

In the northern part of the state, @rico ‘s Whitlock Wildcats are tearing it up 

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

That's where I'm at too. I want the Lions for all of the reasons everyone else does. Also as an Eagles fan, I don't want the 49ers to win.

But, I also don't want the Chiefs to win the SB, but think the 49ers are the better team and have the best chance to beat the Cheifs. 

Agree on the SB. Other than Dan Campbell willing his team to win, I am afraid that the SB will be too big for the Lions.

Niners with my brain. Lions with my heart.

If the MVP vote includes this game, Lamar has definitely played himself out of the running 

Malik is 60% through his sophomore season. It took TJD what, almost 4 years to become an accomplished post passer. For sure, MR is a work in progress. Last year he wasn’t called on to be the focus of the offense because we had two future NBA guys filling that role. 
 

Also can’t stress enough how Ware’s absence as well as X’s have impacted MR. Ware certainly draws defenders to take away the double and triple teams that MR has faced recently. We saw yesterday the impact a healthy X has. 
If we are fortunate enough to have MR for two more seasons I feel that he will continue to improve in the facets of the game that some have been critical of him.

19 minutes ago, KoB2011 said:

I just want to understand your perspective, what does piling on look like to you? And what does getting behind them look like?

From my perspective there’s been very little piling on so I just would like to understand how you (and others) see things as piling on. 

Piling on includes stating the obvious ad nauseum- how many times can it be expressed that we don’t shoot the 3 well, that the roster construction needs improvement? That the focus of the offense doesn’t fit today’s game?

Getting behind the team would mean that posters would acknowledge the effort that these guys have shown. The improvement that guys like MR and TG have made. I shake my head when I read posts that suggest that there has been no player development. 

Finally, the pot shots at the coaching staff are unwarranted, imo. You starts the “It’s time to fire” thread, so not sure how to respond to you. The guy has been here 3 seasons . He is still coaching players from the previous regime. Improvement needs to happen, for sure. Three years and out is a recipe for disaster for the program. 

The narrative of the board was that we would not compete today.

There were multiple posters that thought we would get beat by more than the spread that the betting books had.

Yeah, we lost. Yeah, making the tournament looks like a long shot.

 I thought that this team showed a lot of fight today.. Not perfect by a long shot, but definitely they could hold their heads high for the effort they gave. Especially since our best player was not on the floor.

It is so easy to pile on and beat down these guys and the coaches. It’s so easy to join the crowd.

Would love if this forum might try to get behind these guys.

Just now, IU_Realist said:

When was the last time we contended?  Quit using our dusty banners.  They are in a better place than IU basketball.  Indiana basketball is nowhere close to being that.  

We were ranked #1 more recently than them.

And if you read my post, I also referenced the last 3 games… which we won.

And since when are you the guy that tells folks what they can or can’t post?

1 hour ago, KoB2011 said:

We are a joke to them

 

Well, we had beat them 3 straight before today and took them down to the wire without our best player.

Let’s see. How many Nattys do they have?

59 minutes ago, 13th&Jackson said:

We were in both games because the opponents couldn’t hit open shots

Yes, but other than MM I thought we played pretty well defensively to cause some of those misses. This was a very high scoring team that we held way below their average 

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Tough loss, lots of missed opportunities. But the game changed when it was tied with a minute left and Shannon completely plowed over XJ and somehow the refs inexplicably called the foul on XJ. 

An atrocious call. Instead of the ball with a chance to take the lead, we were down 2 with under 1:00. 

Didn't help that XJ missed 1,567 free throws in the last minute either. 

Free throws killed them, but both teams missed a lot. The call that should have been a charge was horrible and it really ended any chance IU had. I think they win that game with Ware.
 

pretty much what I said 

Free throws killed them, but both teams missed a lot. The call that should have been a charge was horrible and it really ended any chance IU had. I think they win that game with Ware.

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

Not trying to start the entire Sampson/NCAA/self-reporting debate again, but...

Watching Houston on ESPN thinking about what could have been. 

You mean more guys on drugs and not going to class?

Sampson shouldn’t have been fired over the calls. He should have been fired for trashing the culture of the program 

Don’t know how anyone can compare a coach/program that has 29 years of building v a guy in his 3rd year who still is coaching some of his predecessor’s players.

 I get it that CMW has to change some things but to think 3 years is a fair amount of time to evaluate him doesn’t make sense imo.

 I agree wholeheartedly that next year needs to see real progress. I also agree wholeheartedly that prematurely firing him after this season will set us back.

13 hours ago, ledies22 said:

Pete Carroll yes. Jim Harbaugh no. He served his time, and faced the repercussions. He is moving on from something that i would say did him dirty. He is like the ornery kid in class that gets in trouble all of the time that other kids get away with.  

Well, Harbaugh was negotiating with the university to protect himself in the event that the NCAA investigation turned ugly so I would take that as he knew he was more guilty than was let on