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"I wanna put on, my, my, my my boogie shoes."

Northwestern falls at Rutgers

Late addition... Watching Northwestern-Rutgers, and 6'6 sophomore transfer (Denver) Justin Mullins has played 18 minutes after only playing 21 minutes this whole year and hadn't scored a point... Tonight he's 3-3 7 points, and 3 blocks... So @iuthruandthru, he might be the guy 🙂

There isn't ... And that sounds you hear is Purdue loosening their chastity belts...

I'll end my participation in the discussion with this... If the time comes that Scott Dolson decides Mike Woodson isn't the guy to lead our program, I'll be behind the decision 100%... And I'll get behind whoever it is he decides to hire 100%, even if I have reservations like I did with Sampson... Until then, GO HOOSIERS!

I'm not sure that's a good analogy... Baking and basketball are quite a bit different... And of course a good coach can make a difference... The old "he can take his and beat yours, then take yours and beat his" can apply... But Jay Wright doesn't win big without those 3 things... Neither does Self, or Izzo, or Knight for that matter... Coach Knight's greatest team had talent (Benson, May) experience (Buckner, May, Wilkerson, Abernathy), and leadership (Buckner)... That's absolutely what made them great... Did Coach Knight have a great effect on them? Absolutely, but let's just say he didn't have bad eggs and old flour to work with...

Exactly... Come on...16-19 5-15 in the conference last year, and 14-11 and 4-10 this year is what got him fired... You choosing to portray it as losing to us twice is BS... When you haven't been to the NCAA in 6 years, I'd say it's an appropriate bar... For any coach coming in... Improving to a 4 seed and a 2nd place finish in the Big 10 last year was also a step forward... That's really not debatable... The rest of your comments are at least fair... I'll just say this... It takes 3 things to field a winning team in almost anything, but we'll just stick to basketball here... Talent, experience, and leadership... I don't buy the "scheme" argument 100% because over the years I've seen all different kinds of schemes win... From Arkansas' 40 minutes of hell to Dean Smith playing keep away... Almost all schemes work if you have the talent and it's executed as planned. I've quoted quite a few people in the know who'll vouch for Mike Woodson's coaching chops... And he didn't just forget how to coach over night... That normally gets countered with something like a Tony Adragna tweet about how bad we are... And I'm sorry @tdhoosier but I can't think of any other word to use to that except absurd. Do you know how many games Adragna has been a head coach above the middle school level? Same as me... Zero... And that's not really a knock on the guy... He's trying to carve out a niche and make some money on the Internet... I applaud him... What I don't applaud is using him to prop up a lame argument that a guy with 100X the resume and experience doesn't know what he's doing... And it's not the Xs and Os anyway... It's the Jimmies and Joes or so I've been told... Even by those that cite the scheme... So talent, experience, and leadership... Talent we have... Especially in the frontcourt... I'm not quite as sold as some that Ware is ready for the NBA, but I think he, Malik, and Mac are talented kids. You can of course question the backcourt, but if Trey could shoot it like he did last year, and become more consistent overall, especially on the road, he has enough talent on both sides of the ball to succeed. As does XJ... We've sent what he can be, but we've also seen at any interruption he reverts to playing poorly... Both last year and this year he didn't start well (and part of this year was coming off the injury) and then he has the ankle and the elbow issues. Even if he does come back, I'm not sure there's enough time for him to gear up to what we know he can be... Experience... We lack there in the starting lineup, particularly with Gabe in there... Ohio State suffered from the same thing this year, but to be honest, I thought Holtmann handled last year so poorly in trying to mesh super talented freshmen with experienced players and it bled into this year. And like us, OSU has no real on the court leadership... I think Thornton tries, but leadership is like any other task... The more you do it, normally the better you get... And I'll never base much on metrics or trending... Play it out and let's see...

So making the tournament, for the first time in 6 years and going back to back for the first time since 2016 means nothing? Really? You expected a coach to come in and immediately go what? Final 4? Mike Woodson may eventually get fired from Indiana... But he'll be back next season unless he doesn't want to. And that's only fair...

Let me just ask this... If Dolson were to entertain letting Mike Woodson go, would it be because of A) his overall body of work Or B) the record this year ?

Kinda the way it works, no? You have good players, you win... Bob Knight, John Wooden, and Mike Krzyzewski made their names off of getting good players, coaching them up, and winning... Conversely, none of the 3 would have won big with Crean's first 3 rosters... THAT is the point...

Did they have anything positive to say last year? Pointing out that Woody benefitted from TJD and JHS is as absurd as me pointing out that two of the pessimists favorites, Musselman and Beard, got smoked last night and their current records aren't exactly glowing. Or bitching about where people sit on the bench for that matter... People always say we're trying to "shut down the conversation." No I'm not... Converse away... But as I said before, if I see something that's a sham argument, should I just let it stand? You guys are the ones who don't like pushback on anything you say. No matter how petty or absurd...

So do Edey and Smith, and so did Jabbar and Walton, and Worthy and Jordan, and Laettner and Hurley and Hill...

Well, it'd put him ahead of Keady...

Which is kinda the pinnacle of the sport and the overall reason you play, right? Our history is skewered by our own hand. And we have Brand, Herbert, and others to thank for it...

In the immortal words of Eric "Otter" Stratton, "Point of parliamentary procedure!" We DID go to the NC game in 2002... Purdue last went in, well, 1969 😁

Their bench isn't very deep. In their last game, all of the starters played >29 minutes... Barnhizer played 40 and Buie 38... Top guy off the bench, Luke Hunger only played 12 minutes and scored the only 3 points their bench generated... If someone beside Buie kills us, it'll be a starter...

I live in Texas... You start talking to younger kids here about IU or Purdue they think "football" and "suck." 🙂 Just my opinion, but the "history" Purdue has made lately is being great in the preseason, but getting embarrassed by a double digit seed in the tournament... Look, I do get it. It sucks when we lose twice to Purdue and have a mediocre (so far) year. But this is one of the things I think is insane... Puffing up Purdue and making it seems like we're far inferior... Well, our far inferior team kicked the crap out of them twice last year, and that's pretty recent history. As for PUke not playing the NIL game, that's a misnomer too... As much as our interloping friends like to preen about and promote the purity of Painter and Purdue, Zach Edey didn't come back for "the glory of old PU." He got paid... And if they don't up their NIL game in other areas, it'll eventually catch up with them...

Did you copy and paste that from Hammer and Rails? 😁 Yes, our history still matters...

Had the pleasure to meet him in the mid 70s at the Chase Park hotel in St Louis. I went to school with a guy that was a cousin to his wife. Very nice guy, but seemed a little shy... RIP Don

The old "Matt Painter to Missouri" ploy, eh?

Vote of confidence = Kiss of Death

Jake played college ball at Valpo I think... Jon Diebler, Jake's brother, played for OSU...

Why? He's young, and got talent... I think OSU suffers from the same thing we do... Lack of on court leadership...