CincyHoosier

On 3/7/2022 at 4:33 PM, fasbjd said:

Added results heading into conference tournaments.  Also tweaked the graph so that the NCAA champion's positions represent their standing prior to the NCAA tourney (parred it down to the '08 to present due to data availability).  With these changes, an additional (injury-ridden) team ,Baylor, is poised right on the arc with Arizona just outside.

 

I looked at the sets of teams that fell within the Arc since 2008, some thoughts:

 

• A total of 71 teams in the 13 represented tourneys fell within the Arc - Indiana was present once, 2013

   

• Of the 71 Arc teams: 
  15.5% won it all
  22.5% made the finals
  36.6% made the Final Four
  62% made the Elite Eight
  80.3% made the Sweet Sixteen
  97.2% made the round of 32

   

• If this year stands as it is with only 3 Arc teams, it would tie for the least amount of Arc teams for a season with '21 (all three went to the Final Four) and '14 (when 7 seed UConn won it all)

   

• '09 had the most Arc teams in the tournament at 9, including champion Duke, runner-up Wisconsin, and Final Four participant Kentucky

   

• Seasonal stats for Arc Teams: 
  Most Final Four teams: 4 ('08)
  Least Final Four teams: 1 ('18, '16, '13, '14, '11)
  Most Elite Eight teams: 5 ('19, '12)
  Least Elite Eight teams: 2 ('18, '14)
  Most Sweet Sixteen teams: 7 ('19, '15)
  Least Sweet Sixteen teams: 3 ('21, '18, '16, '14)

 

With less teams inside the arc (and the ones that are right on the border except Zags) you could argue it makes the field more wide open. 

I like option C

2 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

I hate to admit this, but I didn’t watch today. Played 27 holes of golf, followed some on Twitter. I’m surprised at the result, kinda. Wasn’t gonna let it ruin my Saturday!

I didn't watch either.  Weather was too nice to spend the afternoon inside.  I'm surprised at how hard fought the game sounded.  

This actually makes me miss Crean a bit, though he'd still be creepy weird. 

The talent level on the roster isn't anywhere near good enough.  Side by side comparison of 2012-2013 roster with 2021-2022 roster.  Spoiler alert, it's not close. 

PG: Yogi ✅️ vs Johnson

SG/wing: Hulls ✅️ vs Stewart

SF/wing: Oladipo ✅️✅️✅️ vs Kopp

PF/wing: Watford ✅️ vs Race (this is close)

C/post: Zeller ✅️✅️ vs TJD

Bench: Sheehey/Elston/Abell ✅️ vs Phinisee/Galloway/Geronimo

1 minute ago, Proud2BAHoosier said:

Help is on the way.....

Are we still trying to get Bracey the ball?

...can't shoot.

We're playing "finish the sentence" right?

So how's everyone doing?  An exciting time to be a Hoosier fan!

Lander will be a stud 3 years from now and we can all get a chuckle at how far he came.  I really think he will be a high level college PG if given time to develop in the right system.  

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

I feel like Phinisee is 95% a really good player, but he always messes up that last 5%. He makes so many good plays but then never finishes, whether its finishing the shot or finishing a play with a good pass, etc. 

But thats the most important 5%

Need to get the ball in the basket but the defensive effort is incredibly high. 

New coach but still can't shoot 3s or FTs apparently 

This solidifies IU as a program living in the past. 

9 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Don’t think there’s much correlation there to be honest. The only one I would say is the ‘07 class because of what happened with Sampson but since then, not so much.  I feel like we don’t go head to head in recruiting THAT often (at least prior to Archie getting there). Some of our better teams had guys that IU didn’t offer/recruit (Haas, Mathias, Vince and Carsen, Cline, Swanigan, Hammons, etc...). 
 

Painter hasn’t had a recruiting run like this in his tenure at Purdue. 

Cool.  I just met my Purdue thought quota for the year with my last post.  So cheers 🍻

3 minutes ago, BDB said:

Where would you rank Archie?

It was a joke.  I don't come here to get Purdue fans insight.  I have enough friends who are Purdue fans.  Stlboiler is fine.  I just get annoyed sometimes.  Painter is a top 3-4 coach in the Big 10 probably.

Archie - middle of the pack right now.  Hoping that changes soon.  

2 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Curious where you’d put him both in terms of best coaches in the conference and in the country?

Last

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I don't think that has anything to do with it because Keady had successful seasons even when we were good.

Maybe, but that was also a different era

7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

He is usually ranked in the top 20 of college coaches every year.

It's interesting to look at Painter's most successful runs, from 2007-2011 and 2015-2018.  Those happen to be some really down years for IU.  It's almost as if his success is predicated on IU sucking.  If we ever get back to a perennial power Painters best years will be behind him. 

I just think any arguments about scheduling are lame.  All that is taken into consideration now with advanced metrics.  And our hard Big 10 schedule looks a little less daunting than at the beginning of the season.  Of the currently 6 ranked Big 10 teams, we only play 3 of them twice (Iowa, Illinois, and Michigan).  We'll see how the schedule shakes out at the end of the year, since this is all subject to change.  I don't see the purpose of lamenting over the teams we have to play or what teams some other big 10 team doesn't have to play. 

5 hours ago, IUFLA said:

I think Wisconsin will give Michigan their biggest test yet...It'll be interesting to see how the freshman Dickinson (who is fantastic by the way...averages 18 ppg on, get this, 73% shooting) fares against the veteran duo of Potter and Reuvers.

Michigan's only 2 road games so far were at Nebraska on Christmas Day and at Maryland on New Years eve...Neither the Huskers or the Terps had an answer for Wagner (who's staring to play like his brother did for the Wolverines) and Dickinson...The Terps tried to guard Dickinson with Donta Scott who's 6'7 and he ate them alive...I know this one is a Crisler, but I think it'll be a great B1G game to watch...

3 hours ago, 13th&Jackson said:

MI has played 8 of 10 at home, IA, 9 of 13, WI, 10 of 12, Rutgers 8 of 11, MN 10 of 14.

IU and PU both 5 of 13.

1 hour ago, 5fouls said:

In conference, our split is 3 & 3.  Not sure we have anything to complain about there.  Outside of conference, we had 4 neutral site, and only 1 true road game (FSU).  Other teams, like Michigan and Minnesota may have benefitted from a home heavy schedule.  But, with no fans, that's not as meaningful as it would normally be.  I have to say, we probably are who we are at this point.  

3 minutes ago, rico said:

Conference scheduling is what we are talking about here.  Goes hand in hand with conference performance.  No?

No its not. 

Yeah, I don't see a reason to complain here.  Typical years we play 1 true road game and 1-2 neutral site games with 8-9 home games before conference play starts.  We had Maui and less cupcakes this year.  Optics for records probably are affected a little but usually that is dictated more by conference performance anyway. 

Michigan St 15 turnovers

Rutgers 0-7 from FT line

Gross

2 minutes ago, Steubenhoosier said:

Through 11 1/2 minutes, # 15 Rutgers has 12 points and #23 Michigan State has 16.

The bitching about IU’s lack of offense should be put into perspective 

I'm watching and it's ugly

39 minutes ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

Can we just start a "Hot Seat" thread where all these arguments can take place.  Its a legitimate discussion and one that is ok to discuss, but can we not discuss it in every single thread.  And i say this knowing i get sucked in to the discussion myself at time.  We definitely know there are several groups of fans within this board. 

I got sucked in and really didn't want to.  I second this. 

13 minutes ago, ledies22 said:

I havent read too much of this thread, but it's weird when there is a negative connotation within a thread the same names pop up. 

To say that CAM is on the hot seat is pretty much absurd at this point of the season. IU would have to completely poop the bed this season and next. This shouldn't even be a conversation until at least Jan/Feb of 2022.

Although i do not agree with scott on everything, i will say, he does have a point. If the coach of their respective school is on the hot seat going into a recruiting cycle, it's an uphill climb. Why would a recruit commit to a coach/program if the program currently does not have faith in the coach. The upheaval and murmuring for the coach to be fired does not get leaked from within the program. It comes from the fan base. 

Let me be clear - I don't believe CAMs seat is warm right now, nor should be.  But I do believe we should expect better than .500 finishes in the Big 10 and bubble talk every year.  Based off the CURRENT trajectory of 2020-2021 IU basketball, I expect around .500 in Big 10 play.  This would put us around 15-12 for the year.  I would imagine that's bubble territory.  Seat gets warm for next season especially with the 2021 recruiting class.  Just one man's opinion (which apparently Scott Dolson may be listening to).