CincyHoosier

6 minutes ago, NCHoosier32 said:

i always find it interesting that people think this too, but there are a handful on this site who think that.

Maybe it's part of the groupthink

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

He is not in trouble now and every coach should get 5 years before talk of hot seats.  Unless he does something against the rules or have off court problems then fans shouldn't be talking about hot seats or firing the coach.  This kind of talk doe snot help the program at all and it fuels the fire for negative recruiting.

So you think my opinion (random fan forum guy) has an influence over the fate of the IU basketball program?  Far out man. 

35 minutes ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

No it's not, he's just plain right. 

So you've talked to Scott Dolson then?  

5 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

Archie isn’t on the hot seat at all, and frankly isn’t even at the point to start discussing it at all. 

11 hours ago, Hoosierhoopster said:

CAM is not on any kind of hot seat. He needs to win this season more for program momentum and recruiting, but he doesn’t need to win right away out of the gate, and he’s not going anywhere either.

If we are under .500 in conference again which is quite possible and we are bubble/miss tourney it's warm.  

11 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

I'd call his offense "uneven" (3 1/2 poor games) but his defense, particularly his on the ball defense, has been very good...

But my point was the discrepancy in how the analytics rate Rob vs Kristian as opposed to the real numbers...

I don't think there's a person on this board that thinks Lander, for all of his potential, should start or get more time than Phinisee...

I agree, I don't think we should interpret it as 1) Lander ranked higher is some random analytic ranking system therefore 2) Lander > Rob, and further 3) Lander should start instead of Rob.  However, I do think they have the rest of our roster essentially correct in terms of relative importance to our team and performance so far this year. 

22 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

This is why I don't lend some of these things much credence...

Here are the "analytics."

Note the 3rd name and the 9th name...

Now, here are the numbers per 40 minutes this season...

Kristian will be a wonderful player some day, but even with a few struggles Rob is a better player at this point...especially on defense...

On Rob - these player ratings assuredly have their flaws, but most of us have been seeing it with our own eyes.  His performance has been...underwhelming so far this year. 

21 hours ago, MaroonRebel said:

I am sure you numbers guys already know of this site. I do not know how it is calculated. It is free. Has IU at 25th behind Stanford(I think the Texas blowout skews the number a bit). Breaks down individual and I believe combos maybe. 

 https://evanmiya.com/

 

Interesting.  More interesting are the player ratings.  TJD #3.  Next closest is Race at #156 then Lander at #193.  Rob is #742 and second to last on the team in front of Leal.  

5 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Plenty of time and with transfers and our own seniors being able to come back.  Had a thread where IU has checked into a transfer who originally played at Pitt

You are assuming A) we won't have our own transfers, B) seniors don't move on with their life to another career, C) we actually land an impact transfer.  Even if all that breaks our way we end up with imbalanced classes, something that plagued Crean. 

So...we have one recruit signed.  We aren't actively recruiting anyone, except Aminu.  It appears we aren't leading for him at the moment.  This will be hard to recover from unless something significant changes. 

I think Sampson felt pressure to "win now" so he reached a little with the guys he brought in early.  I think if given the chance he would have started bringing in higher character guys.  All I know is if it had worked out, IU would have a ton more wins over the last decade than they did. 

So we are down to 1 realistic target for this class. 

8 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Why do people expect all freshman  to come ion and contribute right away.  If they don't they are lump in a category of just an average player who will not get better.  To me I saw enough out of Franklin last year to think he will contribute more this year and by his junior and senior year will be a key player.  I loved it when most of the freshman came in and waited their turn and wasn't expected to contribute right away.

I'm not lumping anyone in any category.  I'm simply stating my opinion.  I think Armaan is a solid role player/fringe starter on a top 25 level team.  I don't expect him to develop into All Big 10 type guy.

6 minutes ago, go_iu_bb said:

I agree with a lot of your points here except for a couple. While I agree that we know what to expect at this point from Brunk and Durham, Franklin was just a freshman last year and showed flashes of good play. So I don't think we can say we know what he brings this year as it he could make a jump in productivity. It also sounds like Galloway is doing really well in practice so we might get more out of him than you expect. 

I've heard that about Galloway too, we'll see.  I like Armaan but I'm not sure he's a difference maker to get us from middle of the road Big 10 to top 4-5.

And to be clear, if we get Miller and Aminu I'd be ecstatic.  I'm just not feeling great about either one. 

I don't want to keep belaboring the same points.  We have to win more games this year.  To do that we need a lot of things to go right.  We have to get more out of Hunter and Race.  TJD has to stay healthy.  Either Phinisee needs to stay healthy or Lander has to be the answer.  We kind of know what Brunk, Al, and Armaan will bring which is middle to lower tier power 5 play.  Geronimo, Leal, and Galloway are probably not ready to contribute much. 

So we need nearly everything to go our way this year.  However, if we had a talented and well rounded recruiting class on deck for 2021 it would take some of the pressure off.  This is my biggest concern about this class. 

53 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

UM finished 9th last year and UW had an off season two years ago

Those are exceptions Scott, you know this. 

4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Lately the big ten is a lot deeper than it use to be.  Back when there were only 10 teams you had two teams who were automatic wins in NW and UW. You then probably had 4 teams in the middle who were good but not great. You usually had 4  teams at the top who were capable of winning the championship.  To me back then when were the top team the very top of the conference were way better back then than it is today.  Where the difference is that I think top to bottom the depth of the league goes deeper making it harder to finish in the top 4 every year.

 

And yet there are MSU, Michigan, and Wisconsin nearly every damn year. 

8 minutes ago, gnet550 said:

I agree here...I think Archie is setting his self up nicely honestly..players like Leal, Galloway, Geronimo, Race, Duncomb are 4 year type players...you then sprinkle in a Lander, TJD, maybe and Aminu...those are national title rosters...UK is always good but they don’t always win the title even though they have the best class after class. You have to have some 3 or 4 year men on the teams

Maybe, but we have to start winning more games.  I don't think any of us want to be Kentucky but I think most of us believe Indiana's place is near the top of the Big 10 every year.  I also think most college basketball insiders would agree.

1 hour ago, DWB said:

For all you "fans" that think Archie's recruiting is in the toilet...ask yourself this...how many of these highly ranked recruits would even be an IU consideration if Crean were still here.

I suspect we'd be speculating on kids from the 150's-200 rankings. We got lucky with Vic, Sheehy. But I seriously doubt if Lander, Romeo, Logan, Kaufman, Miller and others would even consider IU if Crean were still here.

Archie is recruiting "his type" of player. This year's team is his guys. I'm more than confident we'll see a great team on the floor this year. I'm looking for top 5 (even top 3) in the B1G. 

I don't think we should be looking for lynch-mob participants for Archie anytime soon.

I guess I still have expectations to be a perennial top 4 team in the Big 10 at some point in Archie's tenure.  I think he is a very good coach but he needs to bring in talent every year to get there. And he may not if Creighton and Purdue are thought to be better destinations for 2 of our top of the board recruits.  

We are slated by most unbiased prognosticators to be in the 7-9 range again.  I think most of us would be disappointed in that finish.  We better start exceeding expectations at some point or the talent will drop off even farther.  We have TJD, Lander, and maybe Hunter.  Then a bunch of guys in the 100-150 range.  I consider that more Illinois or Iowa, not Indiana.  But maybe I'm living in the past and we will never again be what we all think we should be. 

So if we don't get Miller or Aminu we're still fine?  2021 recruiting class of 1 guy is fine?  I get it that 2020 is different, transfers, yada yada.  But to me this would be a big problem to have 1 legitimate recruit in a year in which we really need 3-4.  

So who tf is going to fill out the remainder of this class?  Aminu seems like a long shot.  Miller 50/50.  After that?  Who's even on the radar?

14 minutes ago, rico said:

I would say that is too far in the future.  From what I am hearing these next 30 days will tell a lot.

Agree.  My educated prediction

Next week - continued spread to all states and growing number of cases.  Testing becomes more widely available

2 weeks - death rate sores in US to hundreds per day with total numbers in thousands, spread to essentially all communities

3 weeks - peak case numbers identified and death rates stabilize

4 weeks - stability in cases and deaths per day but numbers continue to mount

5 weeks - declining number of cases still stable growing death numbers

6 weeks - declining cases and deaths

7 weeks and beyond - virus fizzles 

56 minutes ago, rico said:

Allen County(Fort Wayne)...

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/allen-county-school-districts-say-coronavirus-could-shut-down-schools/

The hysteria is real.  Schools shut down for influenza generally when ~30% are sick with it.  30,000+ have died in just the US from flu this flu season.  What's the worldwide count now for COVID-19 over the last 3+ months?  Around 4,000 last I checked (I realize this number grows daily).  This is silly. 

Just now, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Armaan - he's a better ballhandler than Al right now in my opinion.

Oh yeah, duh!  Still could use another primary ball handler.