CincyHoosier

On 3/7/2022 at 4:33 PM, fasbjd said:

Added results heading into conference tournaments.  Also tweaked the graph so that the NCAA champion's positions represent their standing prior to the NCAA tourney (parred it down to the '08 to present due to data availability).  With these changes, an additional (injury-ridden) team ,Baylor, is poised right on the arc with Arizona just outside.

 

I looked at the sets of teams that fell within the Arc since 2008, some thoughts:

 

• A total of 71 teams in the 13 represented tourneys fell within the Arc - Indiana was present once, 2013

   

• Of the 71 Arc teams: 
  15.5% won it all
  22.5% made the finals
  36.6% made the Final Four
  62% made the Elite Eight
  80.3% made the Sweet Sixteen
  97.2% made the round of 32

   

• If this year stands as it is with only 3 Arc teams, it would tie for the least amount of Arc teams for a season with '21 (all three went to the Final Four) and '14 (when 7 seed UConn won it all)

   

• '09 had the most Arc teams in the tournament at 9, including champion Duke, runner-up Wisconsin, and Final Four participant Kentucky

   

• Seasonal stats for Arc Teams: 
  Most Final Four teams: 4 ('08)
  Least Final Four teams: 1 ('18, '16, '13, '14, '11)
  Most Elite Eight teams: 5 ('19, '12)
  Least Elite Eight teams: 2 ('18, '14)
  Most Sweet Sixteen teams: 7 ('19, '15)
  Least Sweet Sixteen teams: 3 ('21, '18, '16, '14)

 

With less teams inside the arc (and the ones that are right on the border except Zags) you could argue it makes the field more wide open. 

I like option C

2 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

I hate to admit this, but I didn’t watch today. Played 27 holes of golf, followed some on Twitter. I’m surprised at the result, kinda. Wasn’t gonna let it ruin my Saturday!

I didn't watch either.  Weather was too nice to spend the afternoon inside.  I'm surprised at how hard fought the game sounded.  

This actually makes me miss Crean a bit, though he'd still be creepy weird. 

The talent level on the roster isn't anywhere near good enough.  Side by side comparison of 2012-2013 roster with 2021-2022 roster.  Spoiler alert, it's not close. 

PG: Yogi ✅️ vs Johnson

SG/wing: Hulls ✅️ vs Stewart

SF/wing: Oladipo ✅️✅️✅️ vs Kopp

PF/wing: Watford ✅️ vs Race (this is close)

C/post: Zeller ✅️✅️ vs TJD

Bench: Sheehey/Elston/Abell ✅️ vs Phinisee/Galloway/Geronimo

1 minute ago, Proud2BAHoosier said:

Help is on the way.....

Are we still trying to get Bracey the ball?

...can't shoot.

We're playing "finish the sentence" right?

So how's everyone doing?  An exciting time to be a Hoosier fan!

Lander will be a stud 3 years from now and we can all get a chuckle at how far he came.  I really think he will be a high level college PG if given time to develop in the right system.  

1 minute ago, BGleas said:

I feel like Phinisee is 95% a really good player, but he always messes up that last 5%. He makes so many good plays but then never finishes, whether its finishing the shot or finishing a play with a good pass, etc. 

But thats the most important 5%

Need to get the ball in the basket but the defensive effort is incredibly high. 

New coach but still can't shoot 3s or FTs apparently 

This solidifies IU as a program living in the past. 

15 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Why? He's often been praised by top players in the league. In the past LeBron has talked about how good of a coach he is and how he's difficult to prepare for. 

Doesn't mean they want to play for him.  I'll be surprised if any top 5 player in the league signs there as a free agent.  So they are left with finding the next Tim Duncan or Steph Curry (if one of those even exists anymore) or catching the right combination of players a la 2004 Pistons. 

I think his days there are numbered.  If Ainge is going to tie his tenure to Stevens, his days are probably numbered too

Just now, BGleas said:

He is absolutely a top coach in the NBA. He's been fantastic with the Celtics, but in 9 years in the NBA, never having one of the transcendent stars you're going to have a bad year here and there. 

One bad year doesn't all of the sudden change what he's done. Even Ainge has said this season is on him, not Stevens. 

Like I've said numerous times, the Celtics aren't going to stop loving him because of the fans. 

It's a players league though.  I'm not sure top players are going to want to play for Stevens.  

Just now, CincyHoosier said:

I wonder if Dolson's comments about "not hearing from me until we have our guy" will bite him in the @ss

It's a rhetorical question btw

I wonder if Dolson's comments about "not hearing from me until we have our guy" will bite him in the @ss

3 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I'm not going to lie, I got sucked in over the last day or so, but that was always the one holdup for me. I couldn't imagine Stevens leaving the NBA for college. 

Why would you want to deal with boosters, donors, AAU coaches, recruiting 16-18 year olds and dealing with their people, worrying about college kids not getting grades, etc., etc.

The NBA is just easier. I dont mean the actual coaching and game, but you don't have all that other nonsense. 

I just see Stevens as an NBA coach at this point, and that was always in the back of my mind. 

This is probably the closest thing to the truth.  I doubt he wants to deal with all the college baggage.  At the end of the day we may never know if he seriously considered it but there did seem to be some real belief from the IU side. 

Just now, KoB2011 said:

I will be thrilled with Musselman or Beard. 

I'm a little concerned we may end up further down the list

5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I'm 99.999999% sure the Celtics would have to formally announce it. 

I know you had ties to the organization at one point.  Did you ever seriously think Stevens would leave the NBA for IU?

9 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Don’t think there’s much correlation there to be honest. The only one I would say is the ‘07 class because of what happened with Sampson but since then, not so much.  I feel like we don’t go head to head in recruiting THAT often (at least prior to Archie getting there). Some of our better teams had guys that IU didn’t offer/recruit (Haas, Mathias, Vince and Carsen, Cline, Swanigan, Hammons, etc...). 
 

Painter hasn’t had a recruiting run like this in his tenure at Purdue. 

Cool.  I just met my Purdue thought quota for the year with my last post.  So cheers 🍻

3 minutes ago, BDB said:

Where would you rank Archie?

It was a joke.  I don't come here to get Purdue fans insight.  I have enough friends who are Purdue fans.  Stlboiler is fine.  I just get annoyed sometimes.  Painter is a top 3-4 coach in the Big 10 probably.

Archie - middle of the pack right now.  Hoping that changes soon.  

2 minutes ago, Stlboiler23 said:

Curious where you’d put him both in terms of best coaches in the conference and in the country?

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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I don't think that has anything to do with it because Keady had successful seasons even when we were good.

Maybe, but that was also a different era