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6 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I agree. First time in years I’d expect to be ranked top 25 all season. No excuses. 

2022-23 was widely considered a Top 10-12 team preseason. 

Just now, IUFLA said:

and there are questions surrounding his shit selection

That is some next level scouting.

5 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

IU doesn't make any sense for Conwell now for what he's looking for not to mention there is negative recruiting going against IU when it comes to the other teams involved with him. The reality is that Rice, Carlyle, Galloway, Mgbako, and Tucker will all be getting a lot of minutes and that's not counting any other guards/wings that will get minutes. IU will add a shooter or 2 but it won't be someone at the level of Conwell that's looking for a place to best set him up for an NBA opportunity. 

Is that because IU prioritized Carlyle over Conwell? Or did IU prioritize Carlyle only once it was apparent there wasn't going to be traction with Conwell?

1 hour ago, Indykev said:

when has Reneau ever passed in his life? dude is a black hole with no position.

I thought I remembered reports early his freshman year that he was extremely skilled passing out of the post. I'm assuming he's just doing what he's been coached to do.

Which is also why I don't find the volume of 3s that potential transfers shot elsewhere to be particularly important.

3 hours ago, DC2345 said:

I said it in another post but I'm really not sure how all that works. 

It's a US student visa issue. Your income earned in the U.S. is limited for student visas. That's why Purdue went to Canada last year for Edey, and Kentucky did something similar (Caribbean?) for one of their guys a year or two before.

I really don't mean to be a buzzkill, so I'll leave it here. But there hasn't been a year in recent memory where the on court results matched the pre-season hype for IU. All I'm saying is that I see no reason to believe next year will be any different. Yes, there was a talent deficiency last year in the backcourt, but the bigger issue is a schematic deficiency that isn't going away.

Again, happy to be proven wrong in time. But I don't think I will be.

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Oh I think it's significantly better. Coupled with MR/MM improving their games, that's a helluva start to a team. 

Carlyle's EFG% was 54% on catch-and-shoot 3s. 73rd percentile in the country. Furthermore, his "spot up" so catch and shoot plus catch and drive was 1.1PPP and was in the 81st percentile. This couples with Rice very well. 

Time will tell. Conwell is a more proven, well rounded talent IMO, but I suspect Carlyle will prevent us from landing him. Meanwhile, IU's ceiling is severely limited running a two low post offense.

But I've been wrong before...

7 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Every year? 

The bold is wild man. To each their own, though. 

I don't think Rice-Carlyle-Ballo is a better infusion of talent than Mgbako and Ware were last year, and look how that ended.

1 minute ago, iuswingman said:

I agree buddy ball limits our offense but no one here is advocating for not adding any shooters and leaving it to just Mgbako.

In my mind, that's what a starting lineup of Rice-Carlyle-Mgbako-Reneau-Ballo would represent.

Just to be clear, I think Rice is a great target, and expect that he will improve his 3 point shooting in time. I don't see Carlyle as a great fit with this roster, especially at the expense of a great all-around talent like Conwell. Ballo is a pass for me, I don't think he and Reneau will pair well together for a coherent, high level offense.

I agree playmakers are important. But while I hate to rain on the parade, a starting lineup with Reneau and Ballo, and only one proven shooter in Mbgako, won't correct the offensive issues IU has had the last few years. Issues which derive from the scheme Woodson insists on playing.

And none of this even begins to address the defensive end, which, per advanced metrics, has dropped considerably each year of Woodson's tenure.

Every year people get excited about an infusion of talent this time of year, only to be deeply disappointed come January or February. Not sure Rice/Carlyle/Ballo meaningfully changes that.

7 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Why not? 

Thorton

Perkins

Tucker or Trey 

Mackenzie

Reneau.

I don't think that starting back court provides nearly enough 3 point shooting, especially with Tucker at the 3. I also think they'll both expect to run the show, and have the ball in their hands a good share of the time.

Could be wrong, but unless both are simply looking for a pay day, I don't see why they'd sign up to play together. Could certainly be wrong, though.

25 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

No. We need 7 players. And several guards. 

I can't see Perkins and Thornton co-existing.

15 minutes ago, KDB said:

Trilly says Indiana is the team to beat for Tony Perkins.

Guessing this means Thornton fell through?

UofM is playing catch up on NIL for football. Basketball is a distant second in terms of priority (maybe even third behind hockey). So I wouldn't assume the NIL package May will be working with is great.

12 minutes ago, dgambill said:

Well said. 

Thanks, you too!

The issue with Reneau is overall fit, not offensive statistics. If Reneau could defend the 5 then he'd be a no brainer building block given his offensive prowess. The problem is that -- rightly or wrongly -- the widely held perception is that he can't be a quality defender and rebounder at the 5 without consistently being in foul trouble. Thus, Woodson feels compelled to pair him with a rim protector. But covering Reneau defensively like that not only exposes him against 4s on defense, but also clogs up the offense with two post players.

Again, Reneau is a fantastic scorer. I don't think anyone is denying that. Some just question whether he can be part of a championship level team given his other shortcomings, especially given how Woodson seems determined to use him.

28 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

If IU had Caleb Love and Dalton Knecht would you care if Reneau and Ware played next to each other? The reality is it didn’t work because we didn’t have shooters so teams sagged in or double teamed like Nebraska. If this year we go out and get the guy from Stanford and keep Reneau but then go and get proven shooters I think it’s a much more successful offense.

Offense is only half the game. Running back Reneau at the 4 and Mbgako at the 3 severely lowers our ceiling at the defensive end.

35 minutes ago, DC2345 said:

He was a freshman and there’s upside there. Plus IU isn’t in a position to be very picky. If they gain traction with someone that has talent the need to lock them up. 

Not saying you're wrong, but that's no way to build a championship roster. Just a mishmash of poorly fitting parts.

Edit: To clarify, not suggesting you think otherwise. Just talking out loud.

16 minutes ago, tdhoosier said:

Over/Under?

1. We’ll ultimately have 5.5 open scholarships

2. We use 12.5 scholarships (of the 13 available)

3. We get 3.5 guards in the portal 

1. Over

2. Under

3. Depends on how you define guard versus wing. If guard is just 1/2 then under. If guard equals the 1/2/3 spots, then over. 

29 minutes ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Was he interested in IU first go around?

Not sure, but IU offered.

Khani Rooths just decommitted from Michigan...

34 minutes ago, NotIThatLives said:

https://www.insidethehall.com/2024/01/25/what-theyre-saying-a-look-at-the-current-nba-draft-stock-of-kelel-ware/

Let's just call it 20th give or take.  20th pick is 15.5 over 4 years.  10th is 24 over 4.  Will he bet on himself with a 2-3 million nil carrot dangled in his face?

I'm not sure why we would want to run back the exact same team given how ugly this one has played at times at both ends. I think it's clear that while Ware and Reneau are both individually talented, they aren't a championship duo given their imperfect fit together. So if Ware comes back, I think you'd need Reneau to look elsewhere if you hope to improve the outlook considerably.

17 minutes ago, Seeking6 said:

Cool. We have it. Let's roll.

Honest question: what makes you think you can assemble a winning roster by just recruiting a cast of players who left their prior schools in search of big paydays? The problems with that approach seem abundantly evident to me.

Just now, DC2345 said:

Trilly has been asked multiple times to explain what happened on Wednesday and he continues to ignore it after he said he would tell everyone. Typically if Trilly knows something he's not afraid to say it. 

So I wonder if we interpret that to mean he doesn't know, or that he knows but can't disclose?

Just now, DC2345 said:

I think they should get some input but they shouldn't be calling the shots on the final decision. 

Agreed.