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I don’t think that’s true that top recruits don’t want to go to IU. Top recruits don’t want to go to IU as long as we play the way we have been. If you put a coach that played a modern style of basketball, I’d bet we’d do great in recruiting with how good our NIL is.

Yeah, their home loss vs Illinois State is actually worse than neutral vs Temple.

Think the Arizona win probably keeps FAU above ISU. ISU just doesn’t really have any good wins. Their best win is probably at Bradley.

I think FAU is still in, but they really went downhill since that Arizona win. It looked like they might be able to compete for a protected seed, now it looks like they could be in the play in game or at least a double digit seed. They really were unimpressive in conference.

It’s absolutely wild watching every other team, including NBA games, then watching big ten officials in Purdue games. It might as well just be a different rule book.

Edey just trucked over Wahl and it’s somehow a foul on Wahl?

NBA players have bad games too. He’s been pretty consistently great for the last month before this game.

It feels the lack of movement is especially noticeable tonight when contrasted against Nebraska’s constant movement.

Everyone is playing poorly tonight, but it’s felt like Malik has had a string of poor games to end the season - including tonight. Really feels like he’s been committing a lot of silly turnovers and forcing up very difficult shots, and his defense has been poor.

As much as I want to hate it since it’s against us, that was some beautiful basketball on both ends from Nebraska. It might just be that they’re hitting a lot of shots, but they look even better than when we played them earlier in the year. Could be a dangerous tourney team.

It’s been a carbon copy of the previous games against them. The only difference is they’re hitting the tough shots in addition to all of the open looks we’re giving them.

How was that not a hook and hold and tomenaga? Seemed blatant and Leal was even asking for a review.

Spot on. The one thing I’d add is that if IU would have picked up several big wins, that could make up for poor Effie my metrics. Rutgers 2 years ago was able to make the tourney with bad efficiency numbers because they picked off a bunch of wins against high level teams. This year’s IU team doesn’t have that - we don’t have the efficiency or the resume.

The quads are just a way of sorting, not the end all be all. A neutral court win vs Baylor is much more impressive than a home win vs Wisconsin.

We might have a case then, but the B1G isn’t necessarily entitled to 6 bids, especially with how mediocre the conference did in the non-con. I think there’s a better argument for MSU being out than us being in.

The NET is meant to be an efficiency metric. My point is that even the resume metrics would have us 10-20 spots outside of the tourney assuming 40ish at large bids after the auto bids. We just really don’t have a case at this point whether you look at resume or efficiency. If we beat Nebraska and Illinois, our resume would probably be more comparable to a bubble teams. But then the issue is we’ll be compared to other bubble teams with similar resumes, but likely better efficiency.

They use both resume and efficiency metrics, with resume metrics historically be given more weight. IU is poor in both, which is why we aren’t in the conversation. MSU is slightly higher in the resume metrics they use (KPI and SOR) and has good efficiency, which is why they’re considered in as a 10 seed

Bates shot 37% from 3 and 93% from the line last year. Bates had showed that he could actually provide some positive production while Gunn and Banks never have. He’s definitely improved this year at Missouri, but he showed signs of this last year and was one of our better bench players.

Again, I think there’s a substantial gap in overall efficiency (which is what the NET is) between MSU and IU. 70 spots doesn’t seem all that off from what I’d expect when looking at the results. Pure wins and losses we’re closer to MSU, but even then MSU has wins over some top tier teams like Baylor and Illinois, while IU’s best win is probably vs MSU or Wisconsin (and basically nothing after those 2), who are mid to lower seeded teams. There’s also a reason MSU is in the bubble conversation, and that’s because their resume isn’t as strong as their efficiency numbers. IU is very weak in both areas. And I don’t know that citing IU’s losses to top teams - almost all of which we got blown out in - is a good argument for us being in or close to being in. Who cares if you played good teams if you can’t compete with them. If anything that shows that we can’t compete consistently with good competition.

Ageeed, you don’t ignore the last 3 weeks either. Which is why I said we’ve played like a tourney caliber team during that stretch. But that’s only 5 games out of the 32 we’ve played. You can’t just ignore the other 27 games, or 85% of the season, of mostly mediocre to bad basketball. If we would’ve played like this most of the season, we would be in the tourney. Unfortunately we didn’t, and we dug a hole too deep both in terms of wins and losses and efficiency metrics. I’d bet most of the top 100 teams have a stretch of games where they’ve looked tourney caliber. But it’s about doing that consistently throughout the year, not just the last 5 games of the year.

A home win by 1 point doesn’t prove anything lol. And you can’t use head to head when evaluating 360 teams or you’d end up in a never ending loop. Penn State is 2-1 against us, but I’d bet we’re closer to an at large bid than they are.

The quads have 0 impact on the net, so not sure why referencing them proves anything. It’s pretty simple to see the difference in MSU vs IU. MSU has a lot of blowout wins, including over solid to good teams like Butler, Baylor, and ISU. They also only have 3 double digit losses, with none of them being by 20+ points. They also blew out every single 100+ rated team on their schedule. IU has almost no blowout wins, and as we all know struggled in almost all of the games against inferior opponents. We also have 8 double digit losses, including 4 by 20+ points. Any objective evaluation of MSU vs IU would show that MSU is the better team (which is what all the metrics show) with the better resume (which is why they’re in the tourney and we are not).

Might be unpopular, but I agree with the NET, kenpom, and other advanced metrics assessment of this IU team. For 75% of the year, we played like one of the worst big ten teams, and really one of the 10-15 worst power conference teams. This last stretch we’ve played tourney caliber basketball, but you can’t ignore the first 3.5 months of the season. Even with this stretch, we’ve still probably only beat 2 at large tournament teams the whole year. Better late than never, but this improvement in play needed to happen at least a month earlier if we wanted any shot at an at large bid.

I’d imagine the G league would be a paycut vs what he’d get in NIL. Agreed with everything else.

He won’t be drafted if he goes, and I feel very confident saying that - unless he puts up some crazy numbers in the BTT. He’s not on any draft board, or even top 100s. Sure, he could declare and go undrafted, but I don’t think that’s likely.