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Those schools are where they are because they have a culture, identity, and their administration/new coaches did a good job of carrying that over from their great historical coaches. IU has none of that. It has nothing to do with firing an underperforming coach like Archie, or fans being upset that this year’s team is ranked outside of the top 100. Purdue and Wisconsin would also not accept those types of performances, but they’ve put themselves in a position where those performances don’t happen.

I love to dump on Purdue as much as the next guy, but they’ve missed the tourney 3 times since Painters second year. Wisconsin has missed the tourney 3 times since 98/99. And you’re telling me they’d be ok missing the tourney 3 out of 4 years? Absolutely no chance.

Who’s saying they expect final fours? That’s just a straw man argument. The criteria is that you can’t have a season where we’re literally one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in the league. If you do, you better have a great recruiting class coming in that can turn it around quickly. We have neither of those things as it currently stands, which makes a lot of fans worried that this isn’t a one year blip on the radar.

I mean even if you count the Covid year as a tourney appearance, which is fair, Archie’s results were terrible. One double digit seed in 4 years (which is what we would’ve been that year), with 0 winning conference seasons is not acceptable.

At least you could argue the final Archie/Crean teams were a win or two away from the bubble. This team is a win or two a way from the NIT bubble.

I don’t know where this came from, but I’m loving this.

I mean I don’t know how much a guy who has 0 head coaching experience and minimal assistant coaching experience plus a guy with basically no coaching experience at all would improve things. Especially since they’re already on the staff. But if you go that route you’re not worried about this year.

As an interim coach? That’d make some sense. As actual head coach and assistant coach…that’d be the worst idea I’ve ever heard

I know there are different circles of IU fans, but I remember the early Crean years very well and most of my friends and family are IU fans. I don’t remember a single person wanting him gone, and I remember just about everyone being pleased with the direction he had the program going. Crean took over a dumpster fire with a self imposed death penalty and was playing walk ons, and most IU fans understood it would take time. Woodson took over a top 50 kenpom team returning an all time IU player.

Malik has to either contest that shot or just go for the box out. Can’t try to slide in for a charge while the guy is in the air shooting. Not a smart play

Well what does our strength and conditioning coach have to do with any of that? I don’t know if he’s good or bad relative to what other schools have, but I do know that the teams lack of ability to shoot has nothing to do with Clif. At this point we might as well start blaming the tutors for our lack of rebounding

Yeah, it worked in those games. But you’re not mentioning at Maryland where it killed any chance we had in that game, or at PSU, or home vs Iowa. It’s easy to remember the good, but you’re missing the bad. Again, I think it’s an issue of offensive scheme, not anything in particular with JHS.

I definitely give Woodson credit for getting JHS and turning over the reigns to him once XJ got injured. But I honestly don’t think the staff did a great job or developing and maximizing his talents. They should have got JHS comfortable shooting threes and attacking the rim instead of letting him shoot so many pull up midrange twos. He had the worst effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage on the team last year, and it’s solely because of the way he was used. And with XJ, I really am not going to give anyone credit because he had a good 7 game stretch 2 years ago. Part of XJ not living up to the potential he showed in those 7 games is injury related. Even still, it’s hard to say he’s developed at IU when his best statistical season was his last year at Pitt.

At this point option B isn’t really what the keep Woodson scenario looks like though since 5 of those 6 guys aren’t committed. I’m also not sure how we could expect legit guards to come in for ‘24 when that’s exactly what we needed this last offseason and we whiffed. Honestly, if all of those guys were committed, I’d bet there would be a little less heat on Woodson since there would be something to point to.

On your PU comment, they run way better offense than we do from what I’ve seen. They’re post up heavy like us since they have Edey, but their guards are constantly moving which is why they get so many open 3s. We tend to get it into the post and just stand around, which is incredibly easy to defend. It also doesn’t help that when Malik gets the ball he is only looking to score and constantly misses wide open teammates. And agreed the injury to X doesn’t help with the guards, but we were pretty bad at the beginning of the year when X was still playing. And if we were relying on Newton to play meaningful minutes after he missed basically a full year due to a serious injury in HS, that’s just wishful thinking.

Good matchup tonight with Iowa St playing at Houston. Should be a defensive showcase with Houston having the #1 defense and Iowa St having the #3 defense per kenpom. The most points per possession Houston has allowed at home this year is 0.932 which is just insane. I really need to watch some good basketball after yesterday.

We haven’t won a game by 20 all year, even against the early season cupcakes. This is probably our best shot at a win the rest of the way, but we’re probably still going to be underdogs.

Generally speaking I’d say it’s not worth listening to anything Dakich says. But in this case, he is an expert in being a terrible coach, so he’s got that going for him.

That might’ve been our worst half of the year. It’s just so frustrating watching the lack of fundamentals. This team just doesn’t do any of the little things that help win games.

Lol, who cares what a guy did before he got to a school? IU fired a guy who had (6) 20 win seasons, including (3) 25 win seasons from 2014-2020.

Yeah I never like the argument of “this really good player made the coach look good”. That’s true for every coach.

You will never know who’s actually contacted in any coaching search. If we’re going to give Ohio State credit for a list of coaches from a burner account - and it wasn’t even coaches that the account said were contacted - then I’d give some credence to the rumors from the last IU coaching search. But fair point, we don’t really ever know who was contacted. But I’d be surprised if Dolson just reached out to Woodson and called it a day during the last search.

I know the metrics still liked them relatively speaking, but they won 5 big ten games. They were bad. Also, that’s simply not true that #49 is a decent IU season of the last 30 years. IU was ranked 44th in the year Crean got fired. Even in the Archie years that’d still be an average season.

Idk, I don’t give credit to a school for reaching out to a coach and have them say no. By all accounts IU did that the last time around. I do think the last two guys you mentioned are realistic though. Will be interesting to see who they get.

I know Trilly is supposedly plugged in, but I don’t see any reason why Oats would leave Bama for OSU unless there’s a big pay increase. And any pay increase could easily be matched by Bama. Feels like that might just be a play by his agent to get a raise at Bama