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1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

Most would’ve preferred to have had Mgbako at the 4 all season….

Absolutely, but I’ve just given up on that. Seems like that’ll only happen if we’re absolutely forced to

1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

Same with Mgbako…Woodson lost, per usual.

Yeah he had the auto bench too, but I was ok with it for him in this instance because it forces us to go a bit smaller, and he wasn’t playing particularly well. Ware was dominating the game on both ends.

IU was up 27-25, Ware picked up foul #2 and we had the auto-bench, Penn State outscored IU by 9 the rest of the way. Feels like we’ve seen that same story many times this year

2 hours ago, Hoosierdave said:

One thing that sucks to think about is that for us to objectively have as many coaching candidates as possible, we would basically need Ohio St and Michigan to finish strong to complicate things for them and hopefully force them to keep Howard and Diebler. Which essentially means we would have to hope IU can finish in the bottom 4, or more specifically, the bottom 2. 
 

There will always be other programs hiring coaches, it doesn’t matter if it’s this year or a future one. There will also be brand new coaches who pop up as popular candidates every year (Dusty May was just starting to pop up as a hot coaching name this time last year). What Michigan and Ohio State do doesn’t concern me in the slightest, and should have very little if any impact on what IU does IMO.

15 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

As I said, you can't keep saying you want something while overlooking the reason schools like Purdue and Wisconsin got where they are...

Those schools are where they are because they have a culture, identity, and their administration/new coaches did a good job of carrying that over from their great historical coaches. IU has none of that.

It has nothing to do with firing an underperforming coach like Archie, or fans being upset that this year’s team is ranked outside of the top 100. Purdue and Wisconsin would also not accept those types of performances, but they’ve put themselves in a position where those performances don’t happen.

9 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

At Indiana, yeah...At Purdue or Wisconsin it would have gone a bit longer...And we keep saying we want a program like theirs...

 

I love to dump on Purdue as much as the next guy, but they’ve missed the tourney 3 times since Painters second year. Wisconsin has missed the tourney 3 times since 98/99. And you’re telling me they’d be ok missing the tourney 3 out of 4 years? Absolutely no chance.

17 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

OK, then...What IS the criteria? I'm just not buying that metrics, or the "it isn't that we lose, it's HOW we lose." All coaches are going to be judged on their won/loss record...I don't care how ugly it is on either side...A win is a win, and a loss is a loss...No coach is going to get fired for "winning ugly."

Do you honestly think we're going to bring in a coach that will have us in the Final 4 immediately? Here's a list that addresses just that...The favored sons like Pearl (1 FF in 20 years), Beard (1 in 8 years), and Musselman (never been in 9 years). On average, it takes 10.5 years for a coach to reach the Final 4...

So I'm just not real sure on what y'all want? 

Who’s saying they expect final fours? That’s just a straw man argument.

The criteria is that you can’t have a season where we’re literally one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in the league. If you do, you better have a great recruiting class coming in that can turn it around quickly. We have neither of those things as it currently stands, which makes a lot of fans worried that this isn’t a one year blip on the radar.

22 minutes ago, IUFLA said:

To be clear, the reason I thought CAM should get another year was the COVID deal, the fact that by all accounts we would have gone to the tournament that year, and that $10 million dollar roadblock...

But I didn't know money was so cheap  

And saying Dolson isn't going to fire Woody right now has more to do with how that'll look to the donors/trustees, than the money part of it...

I mean even if you count the Covid year as a tourney appearance, which is fair, Archie’s results were terrible. One double digit seed in 4 years (which is what we would’ve been that year), with 0 winning conference seasons is not acceptable.

2 minutes ago, HoosierFaithful said:

This feels the exact same to me 

At least you could argue the final Archie/Crean teams were a win or two away from the bubble. This team is a win or two a way from the NIT bubble.

I don’t know where this came from, but I’m loving this.

1 minute ago, 02Hoosier said:

I’m pretty sure it was meant just as interim. Get someone who will get something out of the players for the rest of the season and find someone in the offseason

I mean I don’t know how much a guy who has 0 head coaching experience and minimal assistant coaching experience plus a guy with basically no coaching experience at all would improve things. Especially since they’re already on the staff. But if you go that route you’re not worried about this year.

6 minutes ago, 02Hoosier said:

Oh god that’s scary… I almost posted this exact same thing earlier. He’s right though 

As an interim coach? That’d make some sense. As actual head coach and assistant coach…that’d be the worst idea I’ve ever heard

5 hours ago, Seeking6 said:

Yes and no. Yes because of portal. No because of fan expectations. I remember conversations with those close that wanted Crean gone in year 2 because zero progress was being made. One common denominator remains the constant. Expectations. 

I know there are different circles of IU fans, but I remember the early Crean years very well and most of my friends and family are IU fans. I don’t remember a single person wanting him gone, and I remember just about everyone being pleased with the direction he had the program going.

Crean took over a dumpster fire with a self imposed death penalty and was playing walk ons, and most IU fans understood it would take time. Woodson took over a top 50 kenpom team returning an all time IU player.

Malik has to either contest that shot or just go for the box out. Can’t try to slide in for a charge while the guy is in the air shooting. Not a smart play

16 minutes ago, MSHoosier said:

Again, I don't know anything, but we have a player development coach (Coach Calbert) who was here previously when we had a good shooting team. I don't know every holdover from coach Miller, but I think there are two assistants and one strength coach who have been here through seven years of particularly bad shooting at IU.. Something isn't working.

Well what does our strength and conditioning coach have to do with any of that? I don’t know if he’s good or bad relative to what other schools have, but I do know that the teams lack of ability to shoot has nothing to do with Clif. At this point we might as well start blaming the tutors for our lack of rebounding

4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Yeah I really hated all of those mid range shots that beat Purdue twice last year. I just wish people would just look at these advance analytics and thinking they are gospel.

Yeah, it worked in those games. But you’re not mentioning at Maryland where it killed any chance we had in that game, or at PSU, or home vs Iowa. It’s easy to remember the good, but you’re missing the bad. Again, I think it’s an issue of offensive scheme, not anything in particular with JHS.

1 hour ago, Seeking6 said:

So JHS was a mirage? Woodson gets zero credit for any development? Nor any credit for a healthy X down the stretch in 22? 

 

I definitely give Woodson credit for getting JHS and turning over the reigns to him once XJ got injured. But I honestly don’t think the staff did a great job or developing and maximizing his talents. They should have got JHS comfortable shooting threes and attacking the rim instead of letting him shoot so many pull up midrange twos. He had the worst effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage on the team last year, and it’s solely because of the way he was used.

And with XJ, I really am not going to give anyone credit because he had a good 7 game stretch 2 years ago. Part of XJ not living up to the potential he showed in those 7 games is injury related. Even still, it’s hard to say he’s developed at IU when his best statistical season was his last year at Pitt.

2 hours ago, IUfaninIllinois said:

Ok so let’s all take a vote. 
option A - Fire Woodson now and hope you keep Liam and Queen (if he commits) plus MM doesn’t transfer and hope your new coach 

option B - keep Woodson and the following players come in ‘24 - McNeeley, Queen, and some legit guards and ‘25 - Sisley, Mullins, Haralson, Moreno. 

At this point option B isn’t really what the keep Woodson scenario looks like though since 5 of those 6 guys aren’t committed. I’m also not sure how we could expect legit guards to come in for ‘24 when that’s exactly what we needed this last offseason and we whiffed. Honestly, if all of those guys were committed, I’d bet there would be a little less heat on Woodson since there would be something to point to.

10 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Our offense would be decent if people could make some open threes and there are a lot of them to be had. You think other BIG programs are running sophisticated offenses? PU's? They throw it to Edey, he makes his stuff or gets a foul called or he throws it out to open guys. Not rocket science. Last year they couldn't make the open three, this year they can. Our offense is not very good because we have guards (the healthy ones that is) that can't 1. Create their own shot. 2. Shoot.  And because both X and Newton are hurt we're playing a FR PG that wasn't projected to be starting or playing big minutes. And our two guard is a 3. Not saying Woody doesn't take blame but this roster was thin at guards and got thinner when both X and Newton went down basically for the year. Now I am of the opinion that Cupps shouldn't be playing as much as he is regardless of the situation. He'll be a good four year guy but his in over his head both offensively and defensively, but he's fighting and will get better as a result of this.

On your PU comment, they run way better offense than we do from what I’ve seen. They’re post up heavy like us since they have Edey, but their guards are constantly moving which is why they get so many open 3s. We tend to get it into the post and just stand around, which is incredibly easy to defend. It also doesn’t help that when Malik gets the ball he is only looking to score and constantly misses wide open teammates.

And agreed the injury to X doesn’t help with the guards, but we were pretty bad at the beginning of the year when X was still playing. And if we were relying on Newton to play meaningful minutes after he missed basically a full year due to a serious injury in HS, that’s just wishful thinking.

Good matchup tonight with Iowa St playing at Houston. Should be a defensive showcase with Houston having the #1 defense and Iowa St having the #3 defense per kenpom. The most points per possession Houston has allowed at home this year is 0.932 which is just insane. I really need to watch some good basketball after yesterday.

1 hour ago, IowaHoosierFan said:

agreed, but they are by all accounts a better team than Nebraska.  not saying we will win, but i feel like this is one of those games where we could win by 20

We haven’t won a game by 20 all year, even against the early season cupcakes. This is probably our best shot at a win the rest of the way, but we’re probably still going to be underdogs.

2 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

It’s Dakich…I get it, love him or hate him but he seems to have a pulse on IUBB. Last sentence is interesting…

Generally speaking I’d say it’s not worth listening to anything Dakich says. But in this case, he is an expert in being a terrible coach, so he’s got that going for him.

That might’ve been our worst half of the year. It’s just so frustrating watching the lack of fundamentals. This team just doesn’t do any of the little things that help win games.

5 hours ago, Fkfootball said:

Not a troll. 

 

OSU just fired a guy who from 2014-2022 had (8) 20 win seasons. IU hasn't done that since RMK.

Lol, who cares what a guy did before he got to a school? IU fired a guy who had (6) 20 win seasons, including (3) 25 win seasons from 2014-2020.